Our home system: How good it is?


My music sound philosophy/reference is the live music/event that unfortunately I can’t mimic on my system or in any other audio system that I heard. I always say that the very best we can achieve is to be nearer to the recording and even this target is a little “ elusive “ to get for say the least.

Through my audio life I heard a lot of different audio systems: I heard it on audio shows, on dealer rooms and on home people’s systems.

With out any doubt the best audio system performances that I already experienced were/are on home systems where I learn several subjects ( including the people music sound priorities ) and one-two of them are the in deep care in the SET UP of each link on the whole audio chain ( including room ). Some of high price systems that I heard it are not very good because its “ lesser “ care on the each link SET UP.

I want to share with all of you my latest experiences that I had 2-3 weeks ago when I visit some audio friends on USA.
I was exposed to 7 different home systems and I share with you my thoughts on only 4 of those home audio systems that I consider have nothing less but top/first rate performance and where I really enjoy the music.

First than all I want to say that all those audio friends were very gentle and with a very high sense on hospitality: thank you in deep to every one for that I really appreciate it in every way including your very value time that you take/give me.

The best subject during my visit to each one of those great people was to know/meet them: meet people with an in deep knowledge on music ( music lovers more than hardware lovers.), with in deep audio experiences, with in deep know how on their each priorities, with in deep care on whole room-system SET UP, with a great software, with an open mind to share and to accept different points of view, with in deep understanding that there are no perfect systems, with a “ humility “ attitude that it is a must to have to grow-up and with the enjoy “ feeling “ of music listening.

This was a very rare opportunity that I enjoy it and that I know I was so lucky about: Thank you again to all of you!!!!

In no order of preference here it is:

HOUSTON: Fred’s place with a dedicated audio room. Acapella big Triolon speakers, Einstein front end electronics, Rockport/Titan i analog rig, Nordost, JC-1s amps, etc.

When the first music note comes from this system you know that it is something special and after a few minutes you forgot about the hardware and start to enjoy fully the software ( either analog/digital ).
The system is so easy to transmit the music “ feelings/emotions “ and let that the sound/music flow directly to your mind.

Those Triorlon are really great and my hat off to Acapella people because they blend three different speaker drivers in an almost perfect mix. I don’t like ( but the immediacy ) horns ( I heard many of them ) and the Triorlon’s has two of them in the midrange frequency range and I have to say that these horns are the lower horn-signature that I ever heard, the mid bass/bass are moving coil drivers and the Plasma tweeter is ( probably ) the speaker star but with out saying “ I’m here “, like I say almost perfect driver blend.

BOISE: Steve’s place with a dedicated audio room. MBL 111 speakers, custom made Berning’s monoblock amplifiers, Technics SP10 MK3 with a Steve self design/build gorgeous plinth with Schroeder Reference tonearm and strain gauge cartridge/front end by Soundsmith and Lyra Olimpos.

This was my three time that I heard MBL speakers and my first time on a home system: what a difference!!!!, these system/speakers are so near the real music that, like in Fred’s system, the only think that you want is to hear music and more music: LP after LP and again!!!!

Those custom made amplifiers are very good match to the MBL’s and has the lower coloration of tube-signature amplifier I ever heard. I know that the MBL speakers are not easy/friendly with tube electronics and in this system everything is on target, of course that Steve’s hand on this count a lot for that.

I experienced here two different quality performance sound: the Soundsmith one ( that is good ) and a MC cartridge one. I have to say that the Soundsmith rig was only 20-30 hours from new and even Steve was “ playing “ with the set-up. Anyway IMHO that day the Lyra quality performance was way better and I enjoy it for many hours. With this MC cartridge things ( great things ) come out specially the non-sense audio system: disappear!, I had only the LP music performance: great performances.

DALLAS: Louis’s place with a dedicated audio room. Kharma Exquisite 1A speakers, CAT’s monobloks ( new ones: 30 hours on it. ), Lamm/Aesthetix front end electronics, Garrad 301/Triplanar/Xv-1and Technics SP-10MK3/SME/Air Tight both with a custom made wood plinths and the 301 with a custom made power supply.

First thing you note at Loui’s place is that huge room, the biggest I ever know ( maybe 2.3 times the Steve or Fred ones that are big. ) in a home stereo system.

Here I think that the stars are those 550 pound each speakers and its room good integration ( not an easy task ). Like the other systems this one is different but really good. This is my second time hearing Kharma speakers and I have to say that are very very good performers.

The whole sound is a refined/sophisticated one where you or anyone are asking for more, not more quality but more time to heard/hear and enjoy music. I was surprised by the 301 rig quality performance ( where I know very well the XV-1 quality. ): first rate, I can’t hear any coloration that I can/could say: “ that’s was the 301 “.

As good as I heard that system Louis told me that through his Lamm amplifiers ( SE 15-18 watts ) the quality of the system’s sound is a step higher!!, unfortunately I can’t hear it with these amplifiers. Anyway a pleasure to hear it on the Cats.

SAN DIEGO: Mark’s place with out a dedicated audio room ( the system belongs to the sitting room ). Revel speakers, Threshold amplifier, Hovland front end electronics and Raven/Triplanar/Ruby 2.

It seems the “ modest “ system on the group but a top quality performer where we know immediately the very hard work that Mark made to achieve that high quality performance. I know very well the Ruby 2 and in this system is something to hear.
Here there is no single “ star “ but a very good set up of audio items group that sounds a lot better that some very high price systems that I heard, money means nothing at all with out whole/overall knowledge.

As different as are all these audio system all them share common things: system whole synergy, when you heard it you know everything is there ( soundstage, good tonal balance, inner detail, transparent, fast response, dynamics, etc, etc, ), nothing is telling you “ I’m here “ ( very well balance ), sounds good with different kind of music and at different SPL levels, you can heard it for many hours and enjoy every minute, etc, etc.

Are these audio system “ perfect “ ?, certainly not: nothing is. Their owners ( all of them ) already know that they have “ land “ to improve and more important that this fact is that all them know where to improve.

Something to “ ask “ to these systems?, well as you know I’m for full range ( octave to octave ) audio systems and if I put really exigent then I can say that all these system “ miss “ the last bass octave/half octave. This bass octave is system/room dependent and speaker design specification dependent: non of those speakers were designed to achieve that low bass frequency range with the same high quality of the other frequency ranges.
Anyway I can say that I never feel the necessity of that bass octave during all those many hours of music pleasure hearing all those audio systems.

It is a nice thing to learn, through other home audio system listening experiences, if what we have at home is in the right “ road “ and this fact help all of us to grow up in the quest of home audio music sound reproduction heaven.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
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My system is like that too. Everybody be jammin' and then I'll put on some crazy Jazz album that I like and everybody leaves.
Dear friends: For almost all of us it is a " routine " talk about the importance of the room where our audio system belongs.

I have no doubts that and answer to the thread question: Our system, how good it is?, is directly/intimate related to another question: how good is the system/room interaction/relationship?.

We all know the critical importance of that " interaction/relationship " and that's why many of you already care about some way or the other and several of us made almost nothing about.

There are several factors to cover on that room/system interaction but I want to refer this time to the importance of the room treatment.

My bias to a room treatment is: make it very careful ( first step: identified " problems " . ) watching to lose the less. What I mean to " lose the less ".

Well, I heard some home audio systems in dedicated rooms with whole/overall room treatment ( very expensive ones. ) that sounds very good but not good enough for the investment on it.

IMHO ( and I'm not saying is totally true, maybe I'm wrong. ) the professional or non-professional room treatment is something like the quimiotheraphy ( therapy against Cancer ), it takes ( out ) the bad room/system anomalies and along those bad anomalies it takes ( out ) too some " good vibes " .

I use very little " room treatment " in my audio system ( you can read in my virtual system about. ) and till last week I was really satisfied with. Well, a few days ago I was at my friend Guillermo's place checking and testing our tonearm prototype and before I say him " bye bye " I saw in one open closet two white room treatment sheets that he was not using and ask for he borrow to me and then I take it and come home with.

My idea was to use these Skyline RPG devices ( like 50-60 cm squares. ) in the ceiling of my system room to break those ceiling first reflextions, unfortunately I can't do it because my ceiling has not a " flat " surface but has a wrinkle/crease surface ( here in Mexico name it: tyrol. ) so I can't fix those Skyline sheets through double-sided tape.
So, what to do with before I return it to Guillermo?, well I take it and put each one right behind each speaker down on the floor and against the window.

I don't try to play any record because that was not what I was planned: I was planned to have on the room celing.

Day after this I start like almost everyday to hear some music and almost from the very first note I was " surprised " to heard a different quality performance from what I'm acustom to, as more hearing time I take in count that that different quality performance was not only different but a better stepped one. So, I take my reference recordings and play with to find that the improve was/is almost incredible ( and is difficult that something realy take me by " surprise ", you know. ) where the only change in the room/system was these two Skyline RPG diffusor sheets ( btw, its works from 125hz to 4khz, where our brain/ears are so sensitive. ).

To say that those only two " pieces " makes a paramount difference could be a misunderstanding: NO the differences is almost like to hear a new system wih the same tonal balance but where every single frequency range in the audio frequency spectrum improve in clarity, transparency, definition, trasients speed/dynamic, a lower way lower distortion music images, focus and the " true sensation " and emotional feeling of " you are there ".

Gone almost totally the " feeling " that I'm hearing a home audio system ( it does not matters how good the system. ), the feeling is that now there is almost " nothing " between the music and me/you. This kind of experience is so intimate that I only hear/heard on some circumstances in live events.

I can say that any one of the changes/up-date ( over the years. ) that I made/make in my system compare with the quality improvement with these room treatment items.

These RPG devices have a very high index/factor of diffusion/reflextion along very lower index/factor of absorption.

Certainly I will order very soon more of these Skyline RPG devices, step by step looking to an improve that for what I already have I can't imagine any quality improvement.

Amazing!! for say the least.

I have no words to share with all of you how truly exited I'm about. A must to try.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: There are other improvements through the Skyline room treatment devices: the audio system noise-floor goes down and the " vitual " soundstage place where the music comes out comes " blacker " than before.
Along these good improvements the clicks/pops and LP noises that are not part of the recording sessions goes down too, this is that the LP noise floor is now lower than ever and this means a higher music enjoy act!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear friends: I just return from heard two other home audio systems where I bring with me those RPG Skyline to test it and see what happen.

I have to report that in both systems, at a different range level, the Skyline's makes a difference for the better. We use it on almost the same position than in my home system and works realy fine.

Maybe many of you already have these room treatent devices and if you never try it I think that the rewards on it are worth the " effort " to try it.

In the past I try some room treatment devices from ASC/RPG and other manufacturers and only this time with the Skyline I " receive " an improvement with out any lose sign.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Raul: How large is your room? Have you found that the effectiveness of the diffusors varies depending on the size of the room?

Ie, for a large room, would more diffusors be necessary?