best phono preamps?

Cmon guys, this is getting stupid.

There is more degredation in the musical signal before it gets onto vinyl for us to be worrying about 12 additional colorations a 1 metre cable makes.

I now have MC and MM stage inside my pre amp and the vinyl sounds wonderful. Vinyl also sounds wonderful on my seperate phono stage.

There are more sonic difference's going from LP to LP than there is comparing my internal and external phono stages.

We all tend to take subtle differences and AMPLIFY (& distort) them to the ridiculous.

Back to common sense now boys?

Downunder,

I see your point but I think that such small differences really do count. Obviously, to hear the differences between records initself suggests the importance of the phonolinestage: especially when you reflect on the minute mechanical impulses that are being translated from the cartridge.

Hi Raul,

why aren't you and Jose building an integrated phono/pre/amp?

Back to common sense now boys?

You are sooooooo mean, but you are on spot.

Dear Downunder: ++++ " There is more degredation in the musical signal before it gets onto vinyl " +++++

maybe but you can't do nothing about.

Certainly your music sound priorities are different from mine that between other things is to preserve ( in the best way ) the integrity of the delicate cartridge signal trying ( between other things ) to lower distotions/colorations/noises through adding the less and loosing the less on that be loved cartridge signal.

The other subject could be that you does not have yet an in deep experience with a real first rate Phonolinepreamp and of course that your ears like you posted can't discern between an external phono stage and an integrate one, well it could be many things to be sure.

Anyway, what is ridicolous for you maybe it is not to other people like me but if that is not enough then read what Atmasphere posted about and my other posts, please read carefully.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.