Tables That Feature Bearing Friction

Hi Dan_ed, I do not use the Platine Verdier. Furthermore I do not see that I have refered in any way to the sound of the Platine Verdier.
Did I ?
My comment was about a construction feature of the Platine Verdier which was used in this turntable indeed for the very first time in this particular context.
BTW - I have listened to about every commercial turntable released on the market the past 32 years (and a few non-commercial TTs too...).
However - you would never read any comment from me regarding sonics about any current market product ever.

Ok, Dertonarm. I'm just wondering what you meant when you posted this.

The only turntable so far which did it right (i.e. - correct application of "friction" to stabilize movement AND to provide additional damping to the platter) is/was the old venerable Platine Verdier in its original form (pre-1992) of bearing (without the ball support).

Nobody else has gotten it right?

Hi Dan_ed, nobody else aside from Jean Constant Verdier did combine these three effects with one very simple device (two magnetic rings of large diameter (in fact former Focal 15" woofer magnets pre-1990 vintage):

- a true eddy current brake on very large diameter to stabilise the movement
(which in fact is not really bearing friction, but acts in that way WITHOUT any noise added).
- vertical bearing elevated by magnetic force.
- further vibration damping on large surface-diameter of turntable platter (underneath) by magnetic force.

That is all I meant.
I have yet to see another turntable offering these three technical aspects with one simple design feature.
The thread was about bearing friction being applied to stabilize movement. Not comparing turntables regarding their "sound".
Here is one TT doing this AND combining the measure to achive some very nice side-effects.
I am certainly not going into any discussion about sonic pros or cons on this or that turntable.
I would be fruitless anyway.
This is - as always in audio - a subjective field alltogether.
My comment is about unique technical features being combined.
In no way do I want to promote the Platine Verdier here (especially so, as the current model no longer do indeed feature these 3 merits in the way the vintage model does).
There are several TT designs with good points and decent performance around.
All have their merits - all have their flaws.
Thats all.

Dertonarm, Are you saying that the vertical magnetic suspension of the La Platine per se simultaneously offered a form of eddy current braking of the rotation of the platter in the horizontal plane? If so, why would that not also be a feature of the current version of the La Platine? (I am going to check my physics books to verify that such a phenomenon would occur, but for now I accept the principle, if that's what you meant.)

Lewm, two magnets rotating in a horizontal = planar sphere do indeed produce an eddy current field.
The Platine Verdier folks and dealers will hate me for this .......anyway:
The current La Platine does feature somewhat lower quality magnets (compared to the old Focal magnets used till 1990/91 - that particular magnet was no longer available when Focal changed to the "6-tablet-magnet" - design invented by J. Mahul for the 15" woofers in early 1991) - thats why they promoted the ball to be inserted in the top bearing shaft hollow. To stabilize the vertical movement of the platter (in mid-90ies production was a tendency to instable magnetic field and often in loss of magnetic force causing many Platines in europe (and I suppose elsewehere too) to "oscillate" (= being unstable in height of platter)). To solve this problem the "top ball bearing shaft" was introduced (well, the hollow was there before, so they just put in the ball - smart move). That particular problem never occured with pre-1991/92 Platines. However the eddy current brake effect is no longer as dominat as it was in the original version with much better and more homogenous magnets.