Ortofon 2M Red Not Happy Need advice


I just got myself a 2M red. was not able to audition, many of the local shops don't have lower models mounted or identical double turntables for comparison. I went with my gut and dropped a minimal amount of cash on it, figured $100 what is the worse that can happen. Well, I am thoroughly disappointed.

I picked it up since I thought my cart was worn and I needed something to tie me over until I get something serious. My old cart is a Grace F9 Ruby and it beats the pants off of the 2M. I have not let the 2M burn in, but there is such a huge difference between the level of detail between the two carts that I really don't think I can stomach the 2M burned in or not.

The 2M sounds muddy, bright, and is lacking detail big time. Jazz at the pawnshop, take five sounded nice, especially the bottom end but everything else was wrong. Jimi Hendrix came on next, bold as love and little wing were used to audition. Wow, Voice is horrid and the guitar solos made me want to leave the room.

The one thing I can say, surface noise was minimized with the 2M, I think this is due to its inability to pick up detail. I thought my f9 was worn, but it sounds A1 in comparison.

What now, upgrade to the blue? I don't get a refund, otherwise I would take it. Dealer doesn't carry audio technica or denon for the 440 and 160 cannot be exchange candidates. I am seeking a warm and detailed sound. What do you guys think? Should I be more patient and wait for burn in, or is that an uphill battle? Hope to hear from you, thanks.

PS: dealer carries: Dynavector, Ortofon, Lyra, Grado and a couple of others.
dfelkai
Well, I am disappointed by the 2M red and Blue. I see lots of hype and no results. Even my girlfriend was able to pick out the grace f9 when I blind tested her. I think I might call the cash I dropped on it a sunk cost, as I the shop doesn't carry anything I am interested in apart from an entry level dynavector.

As a side note, it can easily become more expensive to experiment with bogus cartridges then to just drop the cash on something nice to begin with. Shops these days hardly have analog listening rooms, and the chances of having two decks set for an A/B on carts that are properly mounted is virtually impossible. I would have hoped that I could trust the reviews I have been reading, but I have been let down.

The hunt continues, I am going to seriously consider soundsmith for a retip (when needed). I am curious whether or not they can do something about the suspension as well.
" It's not easy to buy steak on a hamburger budget."

You can say that again, looks like I got taco bell meat instead of hamburger meat. This cartridge would make a sad and weak bbq!
I believe the Ruby retailed for $300, in 1980 dollars, not sure though.

That's not too far off. I just pulled out my original purchase receipts :). In 1980 I purchased a non-Ruby F9E for $169 plus tax. In 1983 I purchased a ruby stylus for it as part of a complete turntable/tonearm/stylus upgrade package, so I don't know what the price was for the stylus itself, but iirc it was about $100.

Regards,
-- Al