TUBE NOOB: WHAT BRAND


I am looking for a really unusual tube. In one of my previous posts I had a couple of audiogon members point out a few good sites and I was able to locate some for sale. My initial problem was not finding any, now I have too many to chose from.

The tube: 6CL8A/6CL8

Brands available: RCA, GE, Sylvania, Tung Sol..etc.. quite a few.

I know nothing about this other than I want the best one possible. I would like one that minimizes microphonics and that sounds like tube heaven, help me out. Thanks a million guys.
dfelkai
One tip for lower microphonics: choose tubes whose internal plate structure appears robust.

Some tubes have tall, thin vertical plates that look like a gentle breeze would tobble them over. Such tubes TEND to sound bloated, rosy or microphonic.

Other tubes have short, folded or even doubled plates that look sturdy enough to support an elephant. These tubes TEND to sound tighter, more neutral and less microphonic.

The above demonstrates the universal importance of controlling/reducing vibration and resonances in audio equipment of all kinds. In that regard, Herbie's Tube Dampeners are also effective IME for reducing microphonics/bloat with nearly any tube.

Matching of small signal tubes is usually unnecessary (perhaps depending on the circuit they're being used in). I buy matched sets because it only costs a few bucks and it can't hurt, but its probably overkill - even in a $12K preamp.

As for the sound of one tube vs. another, that's too dependent on the equipment and the whole system for me to offer any opinion. I can describe what different tubes do in my preamp. I have little idea what they'd do in yours.

I do suggest you try new production tubes from the likes of JJ or Electro-Harmonix, assuming they make the types you need. Their performance can be strikingly good for far less money than many highly sought after NOS rarities. Don't buy into the snob appeal without trying the everyday stuff first - it may surprise you.
IME New production output power tubes are better for certain models, but for signal tubes (ie, 12AX7 or 6SN7) NOS is always better, and they make a very big difference, different flavors and its tough to know what you will like, it is like asking which is the best cartridge...
Now, since tube rolling is not a new thing, usually higher priced tubes are better (no wonder)...

I would agree with Mofimadness start with Tung-sol and Sylvania
"What are you guys talking about?" Tubes are like every other component in the chain-except more so. Virtually every person you ask will have their own opinions, so it's ridiculous to demand to know 'the best'. Do some research, buy a set of tubes, listen to them for weeks, attempt to isolate what you do/don't like about them, do some more research, try another set. Etc. Yes, this process can take a long time. Years even. Fortunately, it's not torture-unlike, say, a crappy, ear-bleed cartridge, tube differences are generally subtle enough that, unless something's horribly wrong, any set will be listenable. It's all about nuance.

And one other piece of advice-drop the dickhead attitude. People are giving their time to try and help you, whether you know it or not.

vaya con dios
>>""What are you guys talking about?" Tubes are like every >>other component in the chain-except more so. Virtually >>every person you ask will have their own opinions, so >>it's ridiculous to demand to know 'the best'. Do some >>research, buy a set of tubes, listen to them for weeks, >>attempt to isolate what you do/don't like about them, do >>some more research, try another set. Etc. Yes, this >>process can take a long time. Years even. Fortunately, >>it's not torture-unlike, say, a crappy, ear-bleed >>cartridge, tube differences are generally subtle enough >>that, unless something's horribly wrong, any set will be >>listenable. It's all about nuance.

>>And one other piece of advice-drop the dickhead attitude. >>People are giving their time to try and help you, whether >>you know it or not."

I am tired of being berated about this. I contribute to this forum as well, where I can. You can see my post where I had long discussion about home made cables, where i spoke with a cable manufacturer and he made a video for us. The "dickhead attitude" is what I got when I asked a simple question for tube advice. The initial response I got was " buy all the tubes you can and try them". Do I have to point out again how counter productive this is. It only makes sense to ask an expert, so you don't have to torture yourself and wallet. Again this forum is supposed to for sharing knowledge. My homework will be shared when I have more experience, and my questions, that get answered will be viewed by others who have similar questions. Now that we understand how a forum works, we can continue the discussion.

There is a little science behind this. The tube dampers seem like a great idea for isolation of microphonics, though I still think that there is an abundance of vibration that travels through the pins from-> socketsfrom ->Pc board etc.... I have seen a solution to this problem, gel filled sockets do help eliminate this problem. As well, it would seem like the "thick plate" solution would be a good one. Only when viewing the tubes online it is hard to tell. Is there a statistic that explains which tube might better reduce microphonics?