TW-Acustic Arm

Dirtonarm,

I find it contradictory that you are advocating from TW as follows, "What I would have expected and would have liked to see in a tonearm asking $6k is something new, something unusual or at least something more creative."

Then again, you strongly promote the FR66 tonearm as one of the best of all time. Something that is a very old design. What are we supposed to believe based on your writings? That something using old and tried principles which I assume you have some commercial interest in is worth $6K. Is there any new version of the FR66. Or should be look to spend an inflated $6K for a very old FR66? Yet a new, warrantied item from TW which as you seem to claim is using very standard design (not the case but so be it) should not be worth the same amount.

I follow your agenda on this web site. I just feel it is about time you make it clear to others as we seem to not understand you so well.

Your wonderful use of English even escapes your fellow Germans in understanding. "Again - you have problems reading correctly". You have said something like this in more than one post. I would suggest that something is lost in your translation of German to English. Maybe you should return to the German Forums where you won't be misunderstood.

Hi Dgad, I do understand that Dertonarms position in this thread may provoke resistance. But where when not here can we discuss openly - with open vizor. In the magazines? I don`t think so. In the German Forums - perish this thought!

Critizising a concept or a product or a maker is fully ok as it is also fine that you love Thomas` products or I do this with Micros and so on. Dertonarm needs not to buy Thomas` tonearm as Thomas needs not to buy Dertonarms products.

But sending someone back to German Forums - do you know what you are intending to do, maybe not. You would see service troops running around praising their gods - why? Because they get a discount from the chorister. Would you like ending up like this? Hopefully not! Enjoy

How can anyone openly criticise any particular product if one has not heard it.

Nobody is putting a gun to anyone's head to buy a TW tonearm or any other product. Whether or not it is good value is up to the potential purchaser to decide.

Personally it seems expensive, as it is more costly than say the excellent Phantom. However if it outperforms a Phantom it would be seen to be good value - no ?. It is certainly cheaper than the audio jewellery Da Vinci tonearms.

At least we have actual TW owners or interested owners sharing their excitment of a new product.

The attitude of some of our nice German collegues reeks of petty jealousy from my viewpoint.

cheers

How about a stoning? Dgad is seller of little stones, round stones, cornery stones and when the victim says"Fr-66s" the stoning will start.

Dear Dgad, dear Downunder, you both are proud owners of TW's turntables and probably soon of his tonearm too.
Fine.
I don't think that I kind of loose some of my words, intentions or phrases by converting them into english.
My german is much sharper - no doubt, but I guess you have got me quite well.
Your reaction shows I am right.
Apparently TW has now activated some of his prime international supporters.
Fine again.
How can I criticise a component I haven't heard?

I have placed critic about design issues and a price tag were I can detect no faint correlation to material input, production effort or new features.
I know from the by now widely know design features of the 10.5 very well its virtues and flaws.

See - this is the very first product from a company which has so far only put some decent turntables to the market. I simply do not see any reason for giving this tonearm high praise.
It surely will sound great in your systems - of course, you bought/buy it and you already fall for the sound of TWs turntables.
That is great for you - fine for me and thanks god, not my problem.
Why I still dare even mentioning the FR-66s of decades gone by ?
Because it addressed and incorporated solves for issues in pivot tonearm design which the designers (and the vast majority of all tonearm designers in the past 30 years...) of the TW 10.5 - and most likely (at least so far...) the reviewers of the magazines testing it... - didn't even detected existing.

Try to build a FR-66s w/B-60 today - you will be shocked how expensive the were construction costs are (and I have the schematics for both....). About 4-5 times the production costs of the TW 10.5 w/base - even in a production run of 20-50 samples in a row.
Will or can the TW 10.5 "outperform" (a strange word indeed in this context...) a Phantom or Phantom II ?
Maybe if set up by TW or one of you......
If a Phantom or Phantom II is set up by me, it will show its virtues and I would be happy to demonstrate its superiority with todays top-flight cartridges.
Even on a TW turntable.
Give me 30 minutes with the Phantom II on any Raven with a good cartridge and I show you what good design can produce aside from marketing hype and supporter groups in online chats.

How about a shoot-out at the High-End 2010 ?
Would be a great chance for TW to proof that there are no guts behind my big mouth ....

good day mates.....