Are linear tracking arms better than pivoted arms?

Syntax, I could not agree with you more. I disagree only with the implication that because the goal of achieving reproduction that is faithful to the sound of real music was difficult to achieve, the pursuit of that goal was abandoned. The pursuit of that goal was abandoned by audiophiles, not the High End Industry as a whole. I believe that there are still manufacturers that pursue that goal. The problem is that audiophiles not only "forgot" what real music sounds like, but younger audiophiles never learned.

This, ironically, is also the reasons that too much validity is given by some to the idea that because something is technically "better" than something else, then it must be better overall. Not so!

Audiophiles seem less and less willing to accept concepts that are not easily quantified or explained rationally. In an era of so much technical advancement, it is easy to understand why this is so. The problem is that we are talking about music. And music is an incredibly complex, subtle, and organic thing. It expresses human emotions. I find it incredibly arrogant, and not very insightful, that some think that they can fully explain what is going on in music, and it's reproduction, with numbers and technical measurements. In my opinion, to not understand that a certain amount of subjectivity is every bit as valid, in absolute terms, as purely technical analysis, is to not fully understand the meaning of music.

There is as much if not more subjectivity with "real" as there is with "sounds good". If you really want the ravings of the self anointed, the "absolute sound" guys take the cake.
At least the "sounds good" guys know what they like, the "absolute sound" guys can be parading royalty, dictating to the heathens.

Cjfrbw, with all due respect, nonesense! As we expose our ears to more and more live, "real" music, we develop a deeper and deeper understanding of the obvious, and not so obvious traits of music performed live. A comparison to how a piece of electronic equipment is able to express any given trait becomes easier and easier. Most audiophiles are, unfortunately, in the dark about a lot of this. Even a lot of the reviewers (if talk about them we must) who claim to use the sound of live music as a reference fall way short. One very common (and pathetic) observation has always been something to the effect that XYZ component allows the listener to differentiate between, say, an oboe from an English horn. How pathetic can one get. I suggest that if a listener is not able to differentiate the sound of an oboe from an English horn while listening to Muzak pumped through a $3 speaker at the local Walmart, the main problem is not the speaker's lack of fidelity, but rather, the listener's lack of exposure to the sound of the two instruments. Would that same listener not be able to recognize the sound of his or her spouse played back over the same speaker?

i think every 'school of preference' within the hobby can claim some turf in the reality sweepstakes....depending on one's personal tastes and musical genre tendancies. gosh; you have the ultra low wattage/horn guys, the mid-power tube guys, the big speaker big ss amp guys and other groups such as the Quads, or appogees, the MBL's or whatever.

aspects of live music are evidant to one degree or another in each 'school'.....but it's the synergy of a system including sources and complimentary software which determine the degree of success at approaching reality of reproduction.....and then....there is the room.

with all those varibles....how in the hell can someone say who is on the right path and who is not without actually spending time in their system?

it's one thing to try to describe what our goals might or should be as listeners. it's a whole different thing to judge someone else's system as 'not valid' or 'they'

'forgot what "the real thing" had sounded like. Today, "good" sound is whatever one likes. Fidelity is irrelevant to music.'

I disagree with both Syntaz and Frogman. I hardly believe there is "no hope" left for High End audio. And Frogman, I think you have the subjectivist argument reversed. I think there are far too many people who will believe anything versus people who only believe what measurements tell them. What we need is a balance of art and science and we do have companies that are trying to achieve that balance.

It is my opinion that pretty much everyone who is involved in the design/manufacturing of high-end gear is standing on the shoulders of giants. When you look at the wealth of knowledge that existed in tube electronics just in this country alone over 60 years ago it is humbling. When you realize how many companies are basically just recycling old schematics into "new" products, it makes you appreciate the great engineers of the past and what they have given us.

I find it interesting that we are seeing a revival in very old gear that was cast aside in our march to progress. Witness the Garrard 301 and the Thorens TD124 and even the much newer Technics SP 10 family. SPU cartridges are still being made. Some people never stopped listening to horns and SETs. If someone could find a way to manufacture R2R tapes at a reasonable cost, there would be a much bigger boom in that market than the tiny rumble we are seeing now.

I know some people will argue this point, but I think the most progress that is being made today in the high-end is not with electronics, tonearms, turntables, etc. The most progress is being made with speakers and their enclosures. There is far more science being brought to bear on speaker design today and there already existed a vast body of knowledge.