rumble issues - see old thread update


I originally posted this under amps
as I thought I might be experiencing clipping

looks like it's definitely turntable related and rumble from subtle record warpage is the main culprit

see my last comment on this thread

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1273520086

may check out with my outboard ZYX Artisian phono pre when I get it back from a friend

Tom
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I just finished reading up on that device. Oh, yeah. That MinusK is a completely different league. It had better be for that price. Then again, when you look at the price of decent equipment racks it doesn't look as expensive.
Dan,

If you think the Minus K is pricey (and you're correct, it's not given the price of something like an HRS rack, a Grand Prix Monaco or many lesser performing aluminum, polymer and glass monstrosities) take a look at the Halcyonics device. We're talking serious vibration control for electron microscopy and other critical scientific applications. Both devices make a Vibraplane look like a toy.
HI Richard,

Yes, I never liked the idea of air and pumps.

I did have some time this morning to scan the Halcyonics. The only issue I have with it is that it is active, however it is reported to have a faster damping time. Yes, this kind of device does put things in another league.

I also like that workstation table on the MinusK website. Change out the adjustable feet with spikes. A Billy Bags short table would also work great under one of these, so it would seem.

Employing a MinusK would probably allow me to play through the next quake in the good ol' granite state. :-)
hi guys

thanks for the further tutorials
this hs spinned into a very insightful thread

Richard is Richard Gray of the Power Company fame
he is an electronics guru and has set up a wide range of tables, arms and recognizes issues via scope, test records, etc

the Craz rack is fine - minimal suspension pads under denser surface material, titanium in the frame. It's the SRA VR platform above it that was causing the problems - these work miracles on amps, pre's, cd's etc but as we found out - the floating element is transmitting too much to the turntable

we replaced it with 3 cm granite and much lower resonance and speaker pumping. SOme in sync with the music, some not and probably in sync with the record. Sound doesn't seem to have added a shrill mid range

I also have a Billy Bags turntable stand my loricraft sits on - that sounds like some lugging I don't want to try

someone at a NOLA audiophile meeting last night suggested eccentricity in the spindle/bearing - but those Galibrier tables are built like a tank. I thought I heard the sligthest squeak the other night on a quiet passage - once a revolution. Do I need to re-oil it Dan?

low freq pre relates to it passing a lower freq signal - lower than my prior Dodd and Arc LS5.

salks ruler flat to 34 hz f3 under 29 hz f10 23 hz

I'l call Thom Mackris and Kevin at SRA for starters

I'll have to look into the record clamps
and yes I don't use the anvil but have seen records that it hurts on warpage more than helps

as Doug suggests - you get to the point where you are hearing all the eccentricities in musical reproduction

or as Richard said - compliant arm, compliant cartridge, comp pre, comp amp, etc - you are going to hear everything - warts and all

thanks
I think that if you filled the bearing all the way there should be no reason to worry about oil. There is no place for it to go. The bearing itself? Ah, no. ;-)

Got it this time. The one SRA turned out to not be a good match with the table. There is one layer peeled back, perhaps the only based on your results. BTW, have you tried the Gavia directly on the top shelf of the Craz? Heck, you could even move the Gavia to the floor since you're on a slab. Might tell you something.

I am not familiar with your amps and speakers, but it seems they are just going to move a bit with vinyl playback. Perhaps Atmasphere will have some input on this.

If things sound good, don't worry, be happy, and listen. Put the covers on if it bothers you. :-)