Good turntable needed, need recomendations.

Dear programmergeek: +++++ " but at least it looks modern ....................... The price is right so I may buy that. I have just bought so much equipment I find myself unhappy with and moving that I want to do the right thing off the bat this time. " +++++

I really hope you achieve this time and I say " I hope " because I can't see a knowledge " proccess " with what you buy for the overall analog source. Seems to me that other than " it looks modern " the quality analog performance level does not matters at all or at least is not so important.

So, why do you think " to do the right thing off the bat this time. " ? what is " telling " you this time will be right? when even that you don't have the tonearm/cartidge combination you already bought a stand alone phono stage and a TT. Don't you think that if the analog source ( other that LP. ) is the phono cartridge you have to think first in the source it self?, maybe I'm wrong but IMHO when you buy a car you don't bought first the tires.

You said : " I have just bought so much equipment I find myself unhappy with ...", do you know why these happen in the past? do you know why this time should be different?

To buy a good digital source is an easy task where the error level is minimum but to buy an analog source set is totally different " toy " and with an intrinsec real high error level according your knowledge-ignorance level or according the knowledge-ignorance level of the people that you take it as your advisor.

IMHO the name of the game in the analog-ball park is not money but knowledge-skills that unfortunately you don't have it: " I am not a vinyl guy but want to become one ".

Yes, I know that the money comes from your wallet and you make what you want with, I'm only trying to help.

Anyway, good luck with your " enterprise ".

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

If the Model 7s are half as good as most people say they are (I only heard them briefly at RMAF and was not fond of the particular music being play...) then I think that you are going to be missing the boat w an average TT/arm and esp. what, to my ears, is not a standout phono stage. Very HQ speakers are usually very revealing of upstream deficiencies and Rhea Sig was not very impressive in direct comparison w several other phono stages. Pretty much unanimous agreement among 5 folks present, IIRC. Starting w a table that did not move you, adding a (IMO) less than involving phono stage will give those 7s what they need to sing.

Ok so I took peoples advice and went to my dealer which is a vinyl guy and this is what he recommended. I agree I KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT ANALOG, that is why I am here to lean and ask advice, no need to be rude and tell me I am ignorant, I already know that. So if the table is no good and the Reah signature is not good where do I go?

I have not heard the table, however I do not have the speakers yet (there is a long wait for them, months)or the phono stage so I really have to go on peoples advice what will match well. This whole system will have so many changes and just want to get it decent from the start. I don't have a ton of time to go play or go to dealers and talk, try out stuff, etc, I work full time and just like to listen to music and all the vinal I here in other systems is so much better than my cd player.

Anyhow I am in north NJ if someone can recommend a good analog guy I would be willing to go there and listen. I am only asking for a decent starting point that I will not go back in a month and go should of got the better table because there is 50% more sound.

Dear Programmergeek: When I don't have know-how on a subject ( any ) then I'm ignorant on that subject, example I don't know any single Chinese word so I'm ignorant on Chinese language.

This is what I mean when I speak about knowledge-ignorance level. I never posted something to insult a person especially when that person ( you ) does not gives any " motivation " for I respond on that way.

Now, if you are in your dealer's hands then be absolutely sure that he really is a vinyl guy with the right knowledge level.

The whole analog subject is not only to choose the right matched analog items. This is only the first part of the " party ", the second part is the right set-up of the analog set that in many ways is more complicate than the first part.

It is obvious that at this time you can't make the analog item set by your self so here your delaer will play a critical role.

Many of the persons in this forum been in analog for several years ( 10-20-30+ years. ) and I'm sure that many of them ( including me ) are still learning on the whole analog subject and how to achieve a next top step on quality performance level.

Digital is a great plug&play source where we almost don't need to worry about almost anything. Unfortunatelly analog is so imperfect that we have to worry even about room temperature.

Welcome a board but you need to know that you need time and patience to learn. If you do then the rewards will come along.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Raul is right. I got back into vinyl about five years ago, and it has taken me that long to get the full measure of what my modest analog front end can do. But, even though modest, it sounds stunning. Unless you do have ready access to someone very well qualified to set things up for you, you may be in for some very frustrating days (they can run into years). To learn as you go takes much of your time, so know that going in, unless you are satisfied with having to rely on a dealer, or someone else for help whenever you need it.

Important also, is the aspect of satisfaction in knowing that you have accomplished a very fine listening system, through you own hands-on efforts. If that kind of reward appeals to you, I urge you to take the hands-on approach if you are able, along with some knowledgeable folks, such as there are on this forum. Best of luck to you, and keep us informed as to your progress, if you would, I'll be cheering you on.

Regards,
Dan