Vintage DD turntables. Are we living dangerously?


I have just acquired a 32 year old JVC/Victor TT-101 DD turntable after having its lesser brother, the TT-81 for the last year.
TT-101
This is one of the great DD designs made at a time when the giant Japanese electronics companies like Technics, Denon, JVC/Victor and Pioneer could pour millions of dollars into 'flagship' models to 'enhance' their lower range models which often sold in the millions.
Because of their complexity however.......if they malfunction.....parts are 'unobtanium'....and they often cannot be repaired.
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Let me be clear that I never own an SP10Mk3 so I have no way of knowing whether it exhibits the gray-ish tone in Mk2. All my comments were referring to the Mk2 and the models below it. Just saying...

I have limited experience with Mk3 as my former employer has one and it's wonderful sounding every time I was at his house listening to it and since it's in unfamiliar situation I cannot make any valid judgment but at least it has been a positive experience. Lew's positive take only reinforce the notion.

I am only amused by all the Mk2 plinth making and trying to address something that has little to do with vibration control as if a magic plinth will miraculously fix the inherent design issue of the drive system. I'm sure a good plinth can improve noise level, transparency, etc... but that grayish tone aint gonna go away.

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Hiho

I have a customer who has both a worked MK3 and MK2, giving him a unique perspective.

In his opinion the performance gap between then is reduced, post upgrade.

IMO, it is not in the design architecture, it is in the build. The two motors are fundamentally the same design but the MK3 has been fed growth steroids.

Cheers.

IMO, it is not in the design architecture, it is in the build. The two motors are fundamentally the same design but the MK3 has been fed growth steroids.

Richard what a good analogy. I thought that was what audiophiles want. The bigger the better.
Hiho, I do agree with you; no plinth can totally take away the coloration of the Mk2, but a good plinth can take away other colorations and leave one with only that and less of the other. Which is why I think the gray-ness was so evident in my pretty darn good slate plinth. Is it not interesting that when the adjective "gray" (or "grey") is used to describe this coloration, all or most of us who have owned or do own the Mk2 know exactly what the writer is describing? Which is to say that there are subjective judgements with objective truth of a sort. To think that the Krebs mods on the Mk2 are less expensive than the mods to the Mk3, around the cost of a medium price cartridge or vintage Japanese tonearm, makes it indispensible to the Mk2, I think.
Lew.
Thought that you may find this amusing. Here on the perimeter of the world we spell gary, grey (Gray even comes up with an auto correct spelling error as I type this)

>>>>>>>>Gray vs. grey

Gray and grey are different spellings of the same word, and both are used throughout the English-speaking world. But gray is more common in American English, while grey is more common in all the other main varieties of English. In the U.K., for instance, grey appears about twenty times for every instance of gray. In the U.S. the ratio is reversed.

Both spellings, which have origins in the Old English grǽg, have existed hundreds of years.1 Grey gained ascendancy in all varieties of English in the early 18th century, but its dominance as the preferred form was checked when American writers adopted gray about a century later. As the Ngram below shows, this change in American English came around 1825. Since then, both forms have remained fairly common throughout the English-speaking world, but the favoring of gray in the U.S. and grey everywhere else has remained consistent.

Some people make their own distinctions between gray and grey. You can find some interesting examples in the comments below. There is nothing wrong with these preferences, but they are not borne out in broader usage. For most people, gray and grey are simply different spellings of the same word.

Both spellings are used for the participles, grayed/greyed and graying/greying, as well as for most of the words and phrases involving gray/grey. For instance, grey area/gray area, referring to an area having characteristics of two extremes, is commonly spelled both ways. So is graybeard/greybeard, referring to an older man with a beard, and gray squirrel/grey squirrel (which refer to closely related types of squirrels on opposite sides of the Atlantic). There are at least a couple of exceptions, though: greyhound, for the breed of dog, always has an e, while grayling, which refers to several types of fish, always has an a.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<