MC versus MM. Which to choose.



I am pretty much a vinyl newbie so bear with me. What are the benefits and drawbacks of both of these types of cartridges. Is there a clear better choice for someone just getting into vinyl? The MM seem to be less costly but how does it compare sonically? Take for instance the Clearaudio Concept cartridge. The MM retails for $200 while the MC retails for $800. Is the MC version a better sounding cartridge?
128x128lostbears
Dear Raul, I have no idea how this Greek conception about
essences become universal because I am not aware that Aristoteles was teached everywhere. What I do know is that the Greek used this 'metal analogy' in attributing properties to humans. So if John has the property to be 'honest like gold' but robed some bank and seduced the wife of his best friend we feel somehow embarassed by those facts because they are contrary to what we assumed and believed. Consider this statement: copper sometimes conducts electricity and sometimes does not. This statement 'obviously' make no sense because we know that copper 'always' conducts electricity even if it is not connected to any electrical source. However this 'thought
model' is not adequate to 'describe' humans.
So, dear Raul, you get my praise with the good things you
do or have done and my critic when you state some 'bold'
things about your omnipotence ,extraordinary hearing capabilites, the highest level among all of us on your learning curve, etc.,etc,. This also apply to your gear.
I can claim as you do that all my componets are 'second to
none' if my own claims are to be considered as legitimate.
You stated explicite that your 'system' is better then the
'one'(?) J. Carr owns and this should 'explain' why you think that Carr is not able to hear the differences among carts like you can. But we , the poor souls, are seduced by
HIFI Magazines to believe that this J. Carr produced not only some of the best carts in the world but also the best preamp as well as the best phono-pre there is. Not to mention his proven capabilities. There is ,dear Raul, so much one can swallow depending on one's character and other capabilities but I am not among the 'blind followers' of anyone.
So dear Raul while you believe that I am ignorant about your capabilities you may be ignorant about my. I believe your descriptions of MM carts but am very skeptical when
you describe yourself. BTW is in Mexico the word 'modesty' totally unknown?

Regards,
Dear Nandric: There are advantages with ignorance:you don't have to worried of anything.

Be happy, useless to argue with you.

Regards and enjoy the music,
R.
Nandric: I respect you but you are no contender at least on audio subjects and that's why you "use " other persons ( as J.Carr. ).

Be your self, you are better that what you think, don't dimish your self: learn and enjoy.

R.
Dear Raul, Thanks for your advice. I thought that our forum
is about (different) opinions and not about 'contenders'.
I 'use' the statements made and try to understand what they
are about before I can 'use' them. When I 'use' your statements I have no impression to use 'the person' Raul but rather that I agree with some of them and disagree with
some other. It is more a 'logical thing' you know then personal.I wish I could 'use' Carr. My first wish would be his phono-pre, the second the Atlas, the third...

Regards,
You guys are doing the gentleman who started this a great disservice. If he is still with us then we are lucky he hasn't given up on analogue and spent his money on CD.
Jonathan Carr is absolutely spot on when he says "The tracking ability of a cartridge depends greatly on the tonearm that it is installed in, and the sonic performance of a cartridge can be made or broken by the phono stage. Regarding both tonearms and phono stages, I have found MCs to be considerably more demanding of the equipment that they are paired with. Phrasing that observation slightly differently, you could say that MMs/MIs make it easier and cheaper to design a phono stage or a tonearm that sounds relatively good."
If the turntable/tonearm are modest then a good MM/MI would potentially be a better choice than a moving coil which may show up limitations in the arm. Lostears is looking at turntable/arms up to $2000 new and mentions the Clearaudio Concept - hence the question on the Clearaudio MM and MC.
Who gives a shit as to whether MC or MM is best, or if some super rare unobtanium vintage cartridge is the bees knees.
The bottom line is that the Clearaudio MC @ $800 is probably better than the Clearaudio MM @ $200.
You would giving the gentleman better advice if you suggested he compare the Clearaudio $800 MC to a Clearaudio $500-800 MM such as the Virtuoso and to consider his phono stage and the cartridge output he requires.
The Clearaudio Concept has a tonearm that is not rigid and I think needs a cartridge of medium compliance.
My suggestion would be for Lostears to arrange a comparison of the Clearaudio MC and the Clearaudio Virtuoso MM at a Clearaudio dealer, preferably with his phono stage.