Getting granite tomorrow.


Making an isolation platform for my Acoustic Signiture TT. It is 18x24. I have this materials. Granite slab 1 1/4 thick. 2 MDF boards 3/4 thick each, Cork one inch and 2 rubber truck liners 3/4 inch thick and 8 wooden buttons for support. I was going to put MDF boards on bottom then rubber then cork and last granite on top. Is this the best order? Or should I make 2 sandwiches out of materials? Also If I dont use spike cups for TT will I crack the granite or damage the spikes? I though it may make a better isolation or do you think it would matter. Any opinions appreciated
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The lack of responses may be due to your confusion of basic concepts. You said you're trying achieve "isolation" yet you've assembled a pile of mostly non-compliant materials that will provide little isolation to speak of. Either the goal or the materials must change. Which is it to be? We're so easily confused by randomness. ;)

Granite, mdf, wood buttons, spikes and spike cups are essentially non-compliant. Non-compliant materials and devices provide COUPLING, which is the precise opposite of ISOLATION.

Your massier items (granite, mdf, the TT itself) can contribute to isolation but ONLY if used to optimally mass-load some other compliant material or device (like springs, an air bladder or sorbothane).

Those rubber truck liners are probably compliant and might provide some isolation, but only if optimally mass-loaded. How thick is the rubber? What are its compression and rebound characteristics under various loads? With that information a mechanical engineer could estimate the optimal mass loading for greatest isolation at various frequencies. Without that information you're reduced to trial and error. You may end up with a Ford Focus on industrial-grade truck shocks (BOING!!!), or a 3/4 ton pickup on Ford Focus shocks (BONK!!!) or... you might get it just right. :)

What are you trying to isolate the TT from anyway? Forget the random pile of stuff. Identify your problems and goals and appropriate solutions will present themselves.
Three BDR cones would probably support 2,000 lbs., but for basic technical questions the manufacturer's website or help line is usually a reliable source.

Hi BlueRanger,

Here's the thing: Isolate. (Just as Doug suggests)

I love DIY projects, but there are times that proprietary products are very difficult to surpass.

You don't have to go through a lot of trial and error. You don't even have to learn manufacturer's specs. The Vibraplane that I bought works tremendously well.

My audio buddy around the corner has one, and has gone to the extra lengths to mass load the VP with a 1" thick steel plate. The difference between loaded and unloaded was very substantial. In my estimation it was worth the trouble, and I have to help him every time he moves his TT, the steel plate and VP, so it must be worth some Serious Sonic Benefit.

When time and finances allow, I will buy a steel plate to mass load my VP-TT. You may need to evaluate what supports this combination, because the VP is 150 lbs, the ballast is 140 lbs or so, and then there's the TT's weight to consider. My stack weighs over 500 lbs. Make sure your rack and floors can handle it.

If you want to see what the results are like, without spending $2500, buy a piece of slate (granite rings) 2" thick and two bicycle tires. Half inflate the tires and place them under the slate. Level the TT, level your arm, level your headshell and listen to some of the most wonderful improvement you may ever hear in your system.

In future, consider contacting the Forum BEFORE you begin collecting materials for a project. It could save you time and pain in the wallet.

Keep us posted. You're headed in the right direction: Isolation is a beautiful thing. It would be great to hear what you learn as you progress.

I have no relationship with Vibraplane, nor with Sound of Silence (Steve Klein's business that sells VPs). Steve has been a very gracious host and helped with my VP, even though I owned it before meeting him.

The idea for slate and bicycle tubes came from an isolation sales rep who took pity on a penny-pinching audiophile. When in grad school his class tested all the isolation devices then available. He said 95% of the results could be had with the setup suggested above. Either way, you win. Go to it!

Very Best of Luck to You,

David