Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable


Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.

Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.

This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.

In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.

Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.

This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.

So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.

Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.

The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).

The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.

I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
spiritofmusic
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The room prep is taking forever. Fortunately GIK and Jim Smith are nearby.
Regardless of the different takes on turntables, the T-Sal combo is a pretty good entry level tt. JK-it's likely to be the only one I ever purchase. For Vic to put together such a beautiful unit from scratch reveals no small bit of genius on his part.
The Zesto Leto and a pair of restored Mcintosh MC 60s will do the trick for me along with the BAT VK P10 SE.

Very nice thing about the Def4s is the efficiency. The MC 60s have some of the best transformers ever made, or so I gather. Doug at the Tube Store said the 60s were the most forward tube amps ever made by Mac.
So it's all tube with power to spare.

I gave it all a trial run with an NAD M55 CD player and holy mackerel, Kingfish!
Ready to get it together and burn it in all at once.
Harold, you're not wrong. A total no brainer. The SQ well surpasses the cost.
Dentdog, was your purchase an end result of this thread, or would you have gone ahead anyhow?
Tms0425 recommended.
Was thinking Thorens TD125 refurbished and he said it would be OK but I could just skip all the upgrades and go straight to a Trans-Fi. So I did.
Bear in mind this is my first music system in thirty years, can't compare other audiophile equipment.As Fat Bastard in Austin Powers said,"Everyone likes their own Brand".
Want to say to all the Agoners, the info brought to light through the discussions can be a great source for educating the decisions that go into a purchase. For all the costs, if one purchases wisely they can get their money's worth.
Dentdog and Tms0425, can you please post your detailed views on the Salvation/Terminator soon please.
I started this thread to highlight what I believe to be a groundbreaking couple of products at a totally affordable real world price, and to encourage analog guys to purchase them.
And I've been successful, but w/only my comments I don't want to give the impression I'm in any way trying to awkwardly promote them, or have an underlying agenda. A couple of recent comments suggest this.
I don't want to be a voice in the wilderness. I mean, what is the point of this forum, if it's not to share views and user opinions?
Dentdog, I started with a Thorens (TD 321) 26 years ago and am now running a Salvation like TT/Terminator combo. My journey to my analog nirvana took 26+ years after having spent a hell of a lot money along the way, yours took, I guess just a moment, LOL.
Damn well done ! You just saved a fortune ;)