Thekong, thank you very much for your detailed response. I find that too often threads present primarily one very positive description or perspective of a product, mostly by those who own it and really enjoy it. Comments like yours, which are based on direct comparisons in your own system, add a sense of balance to the overall impressions one may get from these threads. Your observations are much appreciated.
Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable
Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.
Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.
This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.
In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.
Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.
This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.
So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.
Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.
The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).
The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.
I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.
I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.
This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.
In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.
Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.
This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.
So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.
Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.
The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).
The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.
I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.
I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
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Lewm, my feeling is the modified Lenco and the Salvation are similar, and both lags slightly behind the other TTs in those areas mentioned. I want to stress that this is not day and night difference, but then, we are always talking about small differences at this level. I am very interested to know your impression on your Lenco vs L07D / SP10 MK III ! My friend is a moderator in Lenco Heaven, David, aka diawok. Just by the photos, the main difference between his and your Lenco is that his has a separate slate armboard. This is an old photo of the TT setup during the Lenco / Rockport comparison a few years ago http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f20/daiwok/Hi%20Fi/IMG_1817.jpg Peterayer, from you system thread, I see that you are using a full Pass Labs amplification system. I have some very interesting experience with the Pass Labs Xono and XVR-1, which I will post on your system thread. |
Vic took most time getting the motor right, both in terms of high torque speed stability, using a smaller drive wheel to interface w/the platter, and careful execution of draining motor vibrations away from the platter, and hence away from the all-important stylus. I've mated my Salvation/Terminator w/the Soundsmith Straingauge, and I for one detect no smearing or obscuring of detail on classical or jazz v competing belt drives I've heard in the past. But I bow to Thekong who has greater experience a-b'ing it against others. |
Hi Harold, right that I have not experienced with the maglev Salvation, and I also agreed it would be very interesting to do so! As mentioned before, the only thing stopping me is, rightly or wrongly, I am biased towards a more rigid mechanical grounding at the bearing. If Vic is to offer something like the Callas kit mentioned by Dover, even as an extra cost option, which let me experiment on the effect of with and without ball bearing, I would not hesitate! |
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