Brinkmann vs TW Acustic

Dear Syntax,
Are you suggesting then that Timeline is more successful with DD than BD?
If so doesn’t surprise me.
If I recall the interviews correctly, TW’s original design brief was to make a BD “almost as accurate” as DD?
I’m not sure if he was proposing he could match it precisely…but the objective was to try…..?

I enjoyed your BMW tale and it illustrates the depths of depravity which even major companies stoop to.
In this case 15% underpowered was mis-selling and grounds for a full refund or new engine.
(Mind you, as insurance I would always read various magazine's lab tests to ensure that the manuf meets the requirement - and I did this with my T/T...)

Unfortunately small hi-fi manufacturers are not BMW, who can afford to spend hundreds of millions of Euro/$$$ on design & development for a single engine alone!
I don’t need to list these small manufacturers, I’m sure you know who they all are.

Small hi-fi manufacturers are mostly reputable, usually back ordered for 6-12 months and invariably do their best to support their customers despite the workload and financial strain (as witnessed by unlimited testimonials in the Forums).
These people are the heart & soul of the Audio industry. Much of what they do is a labour of love rather than money. The WWW being such a powerful tool, it wouldn’t take much of a push to put these guys out of business.
So how small a sin does such a manufacturer need to commit to justify the ultimate punishment? 15%....0.01%?....Less?

For sure, if customers need to be warned of a major infraction such as BMW committed then perhaps the Internet is the ideal place.
It’s unlikely to put those guys out of business any time soon.
Kind regards….

Dear Pani,
Regarding your experiences with “timing errors” and PRat? There is another, less obvious, explanation.

If one loudspeaker displays a few db channel imbalance allied to frequency irregularities, e.g. due to the speaker-room relationship, it can not only affect timing but also tunefulness and the ability to follow the musical flow.
Imagine a gradient from "sheer chaos" to "slight confusion" depending on how severe a frequency/amplitude imbalance might be in the average system?

I use electrostatic dipolar speakers and one side of my room is naturally “weak” by a few db or so. I routinely spend the first 15 mins of each session (whether CD or LP) rebalancing and ”tuning” the room’s absorbance to get the “weak” side to match.
Once this happens, the magic flows and order is restored.

So depending on what type of speakers you use and what kind of drive units exist within, with a poorly optimised room I would think it possible one may experience this kind of “disorientation”.
It shows how easily the musical balance can be upset.
It’s a minor inconvenience, but the turntable motor unit and tonearm were NOT the villains. (At least in my case)

Please note that the room is not necessarily symmetrical to achieve balance. No room is capable of absolute symmetry anyway, even if it looks symmetrical. 
Walls/floors/ceilings can be irregular/odd-angled and nothing will ever change that, however much we wish to believe they are perfectly parallel and flat.

Most importantly it’s conceivable that any signal imbalance within source LP/cartridge/electronics/speakers could, perhaps(?), combine to aggravate this situation.
Sadly, it’s not the first answer that springs to mind when we look for explanations.
Kind regards………..

similarities between individuals or social groups foster the exaggeration of tiny distinctions in order to generate or validate uniqueness or superiority.

Well said Dr. F and most appropriately quoted, Wrm57. I think all 'philes should paste it on their mirror to read each morning and evening while brushing teeth.

Are you suggesting then that Timeline is more successful with DD than BD?

I think it depends on the Designer. Based on that discussion I remembered an audiophile buddy with a Platine Verdier Turntable. The last time I did visit him I asked about his speed alignment...lots of Verdier owners think about external motors, the kind of string, the material of it, the length, running the motor 24/7/365 and so on....he did nothing :-), except buying a Vibraplane.

Anyway, I made a date for a alignment Party packed some stuff, Digital Gauge, Timeline, Camera, Carts and we started first with listening a record without doing any corrections.. and we also made some cartridge rolling ...

... we found another turntable Design which has a rock solid red dot on the wall and we also were able to hear differences with several carts :-)