Thanks, Freemand. I found some copper lugs at a hardware store, which involved cutting them into spades, tough crimping, but they work. They sound pretty good, but, like Xiekitchen, I have gone to Cardas (Golden Reference). Like all insane audio ratios, 20X more expensive and maybe 25% better............in smoothness, refinement and maybe a little definition..... oh, well. But for $50 for 4 X 14 foot runs of 6AWG cable, quite a bargain. Better than the $300-$400 silver-copper hybrids for my HF when bi-amped.