Well, I ended up returning them since I could not afford them. I was originally going to demo the metacarbons, but my dealer suggested I try the prototype petite dreams. At the time, there was no pricing. Alas, I should have never demo'ed since I loved them. It was VERY difficult to part with them. I have PGS 3D interconnects that I love. I've tried the Indra, but again, a bit too expensive for me...let me know what you decide! At least try them, they are AWESOME.