NOS Western Electric wire used for power cables??

Mintzar

Miguel is WORKING on patents for his products, they haven't gone through yet. Once they go through he will be displaying all of his technology for the world to see. Be fair.

I am being fair.

The website says "Differential and common noise reduction with our patent magnetic modules."

And whenever I see "patent" mentioned, my BS meter starts twitching. It's absolutely meaningless to the customer. The patent office today rubber stamps most everything, including perpetual motion machines. It's just cynical marketing aimed at those who believe a patent somehow means something other than simply the right to sue.

Two of which lower the noise floor by 136dB and the third by 146dB.

This makes absolutely no sense.

If your noise floor is say, -100dB (not uncommon in a decent system), and you lower that noise floor by 136dB, then your noise floor would have to be -236dB.

Which is simply impossible.

No gizmo you plug your power cords into can do anything about the self-noise created by the electronics themselves. And no audio electronic system could ever achieve a noise floor of -236dB. The thermal noise in the conductors would be greater than that.

Next... magnets.
Cables of all kinds, and anything that has any sort of current through it creates a magnetic field.

Yes.

What you may not be taking into account is that when magnets are added together their magnetic field DECREASES.

The key word here being MAGNETS, as in permanent magnets, i.e. the things you stick on your 'fridge.

By adding magnets to cabling and various other products you are effectively decreasing the magnetic field around the conductor.

No, you're not.

What you're not taking into account (or Mr. Alvarez for that matter if this is his belief as well) is that the magnetic field produced by the permanent magnet is static. It doesn't change. Whereas the magnetic field produced by the cable is always changing.

And even with the cable being subject to the static magnetic field from the permanent magnet, the magnetic field produced by the cable still changes. And more to the point, it changes by the exact same magnitude as it was without the static magnetic field.

So as far as the cable is concerned with respect to the magnetic field that it's producing, nothing has changed.

Read up on "superposition."

Now, if you had something which could produce an exact mirror image of the changing magnetic field produced by the cable, which means it would have to wrap 360 degrees around the cable, then you could reduce and ultimately completely cancel the changing magnetic field around the cable.

But that would get rather complicated.

Though if you were able to surround the cable with something that was highly diamagnetic you could achieve something similar. But even the most diamagnetic materials such as bismuth are only rather weakly diamagnetic.

Bottom line, you're pretty much stuck with the cable producing a magnetic field.

The pulsing of the magnetic field increases resistance in the conductor.

Yes. That's called skin effect.

By minimizing this magnetic field and lowering resistance you have less distortion.

Sure. But unfortunately, a permanent magnet does nothing to reduce the magnitudes of the changing magnetic fields which cause skin effect.

If you want to eliminate skin effect, just use a proper litz wire. Of course it's a well known technology over a century old so it's not going to seem as sexy and alluring as saying something is new, proprietary and on its way to being patented, but it's quite effective.

Let's also cut the crap here, Simply. Grounding systems DO make a difference.

That's easy enough to say as there's literally nothing that DOESN'T "make a difference" to some number of people.

Placing photographs of yourself in your freezer makes a difference to some (no, I'm not making this up).

So to simply say something makes a difference isn't saying anything particularly meaningful.

Asa

SimplyQ: I am impressed by your hew-ing of the UL's and [wire] resistances in your path, but I am interested in your definition of "work" and "quality" and "subjective."

Are you game?

"Work" can mean a number of things. I gave two different instances of it previously. What I wanted to know is what Fuzzbutt17 intended it to mean.

As for "quality," it can mean a number of things as well. It can be ascribed to some sort of purely objective standard (i.e. "This amplifier's distortion is 0.05%"), or a purely subjective standard (i.e. "This amplifier sounds great!").

As for "subjective," it's that which exists within our mind and is not necessarily an accurate reflection of any objective reality.

Fuzzbutt17

Now you've established some credibility.

But for what purpose exactly?

Words should stand or fall on their own, not on who says them. Not even Einstein got away with that.

What is the name of your current company and what is the link to your website?

Why? What relevance does that have? Unlike some, I have no interest in using the forums here to promote my company or my products. So unless you can tell me how that's relevant to the discussion, I'd prefer not to say. If you simply want to satisfy your own curiosity, send me an EMail.

Obviously these companies must be doing something right or they wouldn't be in business.

Sure. But "doing something right" isn't saying anything in particular. The "something right" a company may be doing may be nothing more than marketing. There's no end of companies who have been in business for a long time selling complete BS. Look at the ads in the back of the National Enquirer sometime.

Maybe you can explain to me why everyone prefers my 8AWG power cords over my other ones (and anything else they've heard).

Could be any number of reasons, including purely psychological reasons. And unless one is able to control for that ambiguity, then no one can give any sort of definitive explanation. And people simply preferring your 8 gauge cords over the other ones doesn't say anything definitive one way or the other.

So far every tech I've spoken to tells me there is no reason they should sound better...

And you don't give any plausible reason why the should. So I guess you're even.

I simply enjoy them and sell them to anyone else that wants to enjoy them.

Great. Then why not keep it as simple as that? Works for me.

Simply Q, you are "hiding in the shadows."

You give either hit and run or avoidance answers to specific questions.

My guess is that I'm not the only person on this thread that would like to know the name of your company and have the address of your company's website.

What are you hiding from?

We didn't ask for advertisements or a copy of your last year's income tax statement.

As for listing all the forums you've been a part of for so many years, all that means is you've had access to a computer for that many years and have potentially been criticizing some and misleading others for that long.

Not what I would call something to put on a resume.

FYI, I don't go on forums to promote my company. As a matter of fact I RARELY go on forums at all.

On this thread people gave my company's name, my eBay listing, and my website address and made accusations about my power cords bursting into flames.

I wouldn't even have noticed it if it wasn't for SEVERAL of my loyal customers sending me e-mails with a link to this thread.

Then you attacked me over several things that I wrote and we were off and running.

How about answering a some SPECIFIC questions:

Have you ever heard any of (my) Mojo Audio's products?

Have you ever heard any of Tripoint's products?

Have you ever heard a .005pf isolation transformer such as the Topaz and Xentec that we have been discussing?

What magnet based technology audiophile products have you heard?

What is the criteria you use to evaluate the products you sell? (For this I would expect a long answer)

Do you believe that what you read on technical analytical gear (like an oscilloscope or distortion analyzer) tells the whole story of how gear sounds?

If you include the name of your company and your website address that would make 7 simple questions.

Inquiring minds want to know.

BTW, Mitzar was referring to a specification from the website of Topaz where THEY state a -136db noise reduction.

I don't know exactly what this means but any REASONABLE person would assume that it OVERLAPS not ADDS TO the noise of the system which makes it totally valid.

Now, what it CAN do is help reduce noise from the single most common source of noise in audio systems, and that's interchassis leakage currents in the safety ground lead of the power cables.
Simply_q

Exactly, and while I agree it's a band aid, it's a rather inexpensive yet effective tweak with a much better cost to benefit ratio than a product that costs $8k - $12k. I'm not saying the Tripoint products don't work, but they're priced for those with much deeper pockets than most of us. For those on a more modest budget the Granite Audio Ground Zero provides a similar solution at a much lower cost.

The real culprit is the safety ground.

And it's only required on equipment chassis that don't meet Class II (double insulated) standards.

The manufacturers of low- and mid-fi gear have been designing their chassis to meet Class II specs for decades, and is why you see none of it come with three prong cords.

However the so-called "high-end" manufacturers have yet to figure this out and three prong cords are ubiquitous, even on equipment which may well meet Class II specs. So instead they foist three prong plugs on everyone along with the problems they can bring about.
Simply_q

Ayre is one company that double insulates its equipment chassis. Charles Hansen has posted numerous times on Audio Asylum his views on ground noise.

In my system I have a few components that use two prong attached cords. I also have lifted the grounds off the three prong cords by disconnecting the ground wire altogether, except the one for my power amp.