Do powercords make a difference in sound?


Do they make a difference by upgrading stock power cords in amps, ect versus aftermarket power cords? If so, can anyone advise a good bang for the buck upgrade?
chad329
I still do keep hope alive of someday getting off this thread, but (very simplistically): If you're sitting in one spot, you might react positively to a cord substitution that subjectively tightens the bass response. If you're sitting in another position, even with the same system, you might instead react more positively to a cord substitution that subjectively mellows the treble, or whatever. (The same would also apply to a change in speaker placement, choice of music, etc.) Remember, this is always in relation to the use of some other power cord; it's not possible to compare against no cord at all.* The same goes for listening position -- there is no neutral reference, only preference for a given set of circumstances, and when circumstance changes so may preference.

*[By contrast, it is often possible to evaluate interconnects against the neutral reference of their absence from the chain, rather than purely against one another. It's called bypass-testing, and it's more objective than conventional, subjective substitution testing, but few seem to do it, or even know about it. One easy way to do this, which I use, is by placing two competing interconnects under test into a remote-controllable preamp's A and B tape loops. Then from the listening seat it's a simple matter to, with no switchover delay, select and deselect first loop A a few times, then do the same with loop B, by which method the addition of each interconnect into the chain is compared against the direct feed (the 'bypass', or that interconnect's absence from the chain -- you are NOT switching directly from loop A to loop B; you're switching each loop in and out of the chain in turn, always listening next to the direct feed as your baseline reference). Whichever of the two interconnects alters the sound the least (or least objectionably) as compared with the direct feed wins the round (and can advance to a subsequent round if more than two interconnects are being tested). If you've never done something like this before, you might be surprised at actually 'hearing' your interconnects in isolation for the first time.]

And since I'm posting, I'll risk adding that I don't subscribe to the notion, advanced above, that changing out a whole suite of 'em in unison is the best way to evaluate power cords. The choice shouldn't be between exchanging two different cords between two components, which is obviously confounding, or else going to that other extreme. As with any test, it's always best to hold the variables down to a single controlled one if possible. In this case that means substituting one cord on one component while the others are held constant. In the case of changing out all the cords together, to me that's unecessarily introducing too many variables at once; you may certainly get a feel for the 'sound' of that new model of cord vs. whatever suite of cords was replaced, but not for how that cord synergizes with each individual component, which means you may overshoot the mark and miss the optimum configuration. Of course one may work one's way toward progressively replacing them all with the new cord, after having thoroughly evaluated that model by serially substituting it throughout the existing system (as ultimately happened with me), but I expect that for most audiophiles, like for myself, acquiring multiple duplicate cords before having even comprehensively evaluated a single example represents a putting of the cart before the horse and is unrealistic. (I also don't buy the notion, however helpful and comforting it may be, that one must hear any changes obviously and immediately or else they are rendered definitionally insignificant.)
do not confuse a component with a stereo system.

dispersion is at work when one changes the listening position. it has nothing to do with a compoent.

while you may prefer a line cord from one position or another, it is the same cord, and its function has not changed. what has changed is possibly frequency response, imaging, etc., because of the relationship between sound waves and your ears.
let me add one statement which should end the discussion:

whether power cord a sounds different than power cord b in a stereo system is a function of a listener's perception. end of story.

i don't think it is necessary to justify one position or another.

oops that's two statements. sorry.
08-22-11: Zaikesman
I'll ask you your own question in modified form: If your impression of the sound of a speaker were to change with listening position (and of course it would), would you then conclude that the speaker "fails to exhibit consistent audible characteristics" and expect it not to necessarily display any similarities in another setting?

This is an interesting question, and one that had not occurred to me. My answer is of course no, I would not conclude from differences in sound from one listening position to another that a speaker fails to exhibit consistent audible characteristics. The reason is because I have some idea of WHY a speaker’s sound changes from one listening position to another, including things like the speaker’s radiation pattern, diffraction, room reflections, room modes, etc..

In the case of power cords, however, I have no idea why a power cord would sound different from one listening position to another. The whole idea is a bit of a puzzle to me. I think you mean something like this…

If you're sitting in one spot, you might react positively to a cord substitution that subjectively tightens the bass response. If you're sitting in another position, even with the same system, you might instead react more positively to a cord substitution that subjectively mellows the treble, or whatever…Remember, this is always in relation to the use of some other power cord; it's not possible to compare against no cord at all.

What puzzles me about this statement is the attribution of the differences heard TO THE POWER CORD ITSELF. I understand that, in situations where the introduction of a new component results in a change in the sound, there is a natural temptation to conclude that the change heard is attributable to the component introduced. But that is precisely the reasoning I was challenging in my initial post on 8/18, when I wrote…

…one of the most recurring flaws in the thinking of many audiophiles, namely that…

If using component X results in audible difference Y, then audible difference Y is attributable to component X.

On the face of it, this statement appears to be not only true, but self evident. But under quite common circumstances, it is false. Specifically, it’s false when the audible difference resulting from the use of a component is an EXTRINSIC characteristic of that component.

But now we're back where we started! :-o

Something tells me that we’ve come about as far as we’re going to. I appreciate your thoughtful comments, Zaikesman. This has been an interesting thread, and it’s piqued my curiosity to experiment further. It isn’t a consensus, but it’s something.

Bryon
Hi Byron, agreed that this can and should go no farther. However, just for the record (and perhaps a better understanding if I failed to make myself clear, which is probable), I never said that a power cord's sound changes with listening position. (As it clearly does with a speaker -- although of course a speaker can only make a sound at all when fed a signal that by necessity involves power cords, and more to my point, a power cord can only be heard through the lens of a speaker in a room at a listening position.) What I did say was that a listener's impression of a power cord's sound can change with their position. The word "impression" to me invokes subjective reaction, evaluation and judgement, both qualitatively and at the basic pro or con level.