The Flaming Lips are Go Manifesto


Anybody catch The Flaming Lips on CBS's Late Late Show last night, playing their single "Do You Realize?" (from their current album "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots")? How about the same song being featured in a new Hewlett-Packard TV commercial? Anybody see one of these who's never heard The Lips before? If so, what did you think?

IMO The Lips are, bar none, the finest rock band - artistically speaking - in the world right now, and the only currently-active group or artist still in their prime (and maybe just entering it their case) whose best work I would classify as being up there near the cream of the all-time greats. And it's funny to think that they came out of Oklahoma City, of all places, over fifteen years ago as a charmingly amatuerish and noisily raw poppish hardcore band with a humorous streak, and have steadily evolved (what other band or artist in the field can you name who has put out ten albums, each one a clear advancement beyond the last?) into the sublimely tuneful and powerfully lyrical art-pop group they are today, seamlessly mixing equal parts experimentalism and classicism in a sound that's uniquely original and yet timeless in its sheer creativity.

They are lauded around the globe as The Best Band In The World by the international rock press (surpassing even Radiohead I think), yet when they're not touring with Beck as they are now, I can still see them play in a reasonably-sized club gig in their own country. Maybe this will be changing now, I don't know, but if they do finally move up the rock food chain, they will have deserved it long ago (their only semi-hit came back in '93 with the hilarious "She Don't Use Jelly").

To me, it's The Flaming Lips, not Nirvana or The Smashing Pumpkins, who in the end truly represent the possibility for the ultimate triumph to be secretly carried out on behalf of America's seminal underground 'indie-rock' explosion of the 80's. Nirvana signaled the movement's artistic death at the same time that it hailed its commercial breakthrough, while The Lips - there before Nirvana, still here (and growing) after - continue as the genuine surviving spawn and blossoming link to Rock's continuum (now reduced as it is to the desicated thread of an art form whose golden age was in twilight even long prior to today's utter [and utterly disgusting] industry/market squelching or co-opting of any remaining original artisitc impulse that kids raised on MTV and video games can possibly muster) of dynamic creative expressionism that exploded for the second time in the 60's and then again (and for the last time, but mostly underground) a decade later.

Whereas Nirvana exuded the youthful (even if realistic) rage of nihilism, and the frustration of (and eventual defeat by) unavoidable compromise, The Pumpkins the fascination of mere narcissism, and bands like Pearl Jam the comforts of conventional arena-rock (oops, better make that 'alt-rock' nowadays) career-mongering, The Flaming Lips have quietly metamorphosed from their earlier ironist and obscurist leanings into an encouraging exultation of optimism and celebration of universiality not seen at this level since the early days of U2, but without the preachiness, humorlessness, or social-commentary pomposity. In fact, the bands whose unfulfilled larger-market promise I see The Lips as potentially inheriting more successfully than they could manage in their time - and with more artistic integrity than the grunge cohort - are the original casualties of indie-rock's doomed flirtation with the big-time, bands such as Sonic Youth, The Replacements, Husker Du, and Dinosaur Jr.

Can I get a witness from any members who are fans? I know that perhaps not many audiophools have this kind of taste in music (and none of The Lips' recordings are audiophilic aurally), but anybody who loves the legacy Rock at its best has given us as a truly modern art form and has a yearning for the adventurous and the expressive, could definitely do worse than to bend an ear to this most accomplished yet promising group of middle-aged bubbling-unders we have on Earth today. For the curious uninitiated, good places to start are either their present release mentioned at the top, their previous album (and breakthrough record, sound- and approach-wise) "The Soft Bulletin", or for those with a good tolerance for guitar-noise, 1995's great "Clouds Taste Metallic".
zaikesman
Centurymantra: Glad you could pop into the thread to share those great stories. I wish I could say I was down with The Lips back when, but they actually came out right about the time I had begun to tire of what was left from the indie movement's beginning and peak eras, and had started to pay less attention to upcoming artists. In my hometown of DC, the harDCore scene had thoroughly played itself out by then, I wasn't at all convinced by its 'emo-core' extension (e.g. Fugazi), most bands that had really made a go of coming up with something new based on the spirit of 60's garage and psychedelia had already had their heyday - as had most of the quality post-punk and post-new-wave bands that weren't hardcore, and my favorite rock'n'roll band in the world, The Replacements, was in decline. What new stuff I checked out generally sounded rather second- or third-hand to me (it seems funny to say that now, after what we've seen and heard in the 90's), and I basically concluded that the bands most worth continuing with were the ones whose roots extended back to the movement's golden days. Besides a lot of my favorite bands having broken up, I wasn't in school anymore, had to work a lot, and just didn't get exposed to as much new material or go to as many shows as I used to. I remember hearing positve things about this band called The Flaming Lips, but somehow managed never to actually hear them in the 80's that I can remember. So my first real exposure came when most people's did, with the left-field radio success of "She Don't Use Jelly". 'Modern Rock' or 'Alternative' hadn't really been codified into a restricted radio format at that point, so stations that played post-punk music still would spin some older stuff as well and I still listened in the car, and I remember thinking at the time that "Jelly" sounded much more to my liking than most of the then-current Nirvana-era crop. I intended to try and follow up on The Lips, but never actually got around to it until they released the "Clouds Taste Metallic" LP, and even then I didn't actually buy the CD until around the time of "The Soft Bulletin", despite my having made mental notes for years about being sure to check them out - don't ask me why. Since then, of course, I've been making up for lost time, but have only seen them live twice, both with the current line-up and show - once on the TSB tour, once this past fall.

My girlfriend, on the other hand, had her own unique live Lips experience. Before we ever met, she was living in Portland, Maine, and sort of accidentally caught a show in about '86 by the original 3-piece band, just because she and her then-boyfriend had thought the band name sounded cool and decided to check 'em out sound-unheard. It turned out that they were the only two patrons in the bar/club where The Lips played who had come down to see the band - the only others were a few drunk fishermen at the bar. As it happened, their style of music at that time was not the kind that was (or is) to her liking, but nevertherless she and her boyfriend were so impressed by the band's attitude and energy - especially considering that just two people had shown up for a gig so far from home - and felt that they were simply so good at what they did, that she really wound up liking it in spite of herself. The two of them also chatted with the guys in the band, and found them to be exceptionally pleasant and down-to-earth people, good in mood even though they had to be losing money on the evening. Years later, when I began playing The Lips a lot around the house, she never seemed to cotton to them much, although she guessed some of it was okay. Finally, when I went to see them this past September (up in Philly at a large outdoor amphitheater/arts park facility on the Unlimited Sunshine multi-band tour), I insisted that I buy her a ticket and bring her along, ignoring her feeble protestations. Although the band was in fine form (or whatever constitutes playing a good show for a band whose current material is so complex as to require that at least half of what you hear be played back from hard-disk drives which accompany the performers, all synchronized with a video film show), I wasn't as involved as I had been the first time I saw them (though I enjoyed seeing the new YBTPR songs), probably just due to my having seen them before in an intimate small-club gig in Baltimore squeezed in among the sweaty throng, rather than with assigned seats in a huge outdoor theater. She however experienced an epiphany at that concert, as I looked next to me to see her singing along, mouthing words she had apparently picked up from my playing the records, and afterwards she just kept telling me how much better she liked seeing them live, and how "touched" she had found herself witnessing The Lips' performance of those songs and their lyrics. When we got into the car at the end of the night, she wanted to hear Lips CD's on the stereo, and when we were back home, promptly stole those CD's from out of my case and to this day is still playing them in her car everywhere she drives.
Phasecorrect, I have been a J&MC fan since the mid 80s as well. I got hooked when I heard Happy When It Rains on 120 minutes sometime around the release of Darklands. I still get mad when I hear that damn ripoff by Garbage, I cant remember the actual title right now.

After some time, I prefer the smoothed out sounds of Honey's Dead to the raw power of Psychocandy, although I do enjoy both.

Zaikesman, It is too bad that you don't care for most of the music being done these days as there is some rather good stuff ebing put out. I will again reference Wilco, and offer to either burn you a copy of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, and if you like it you can go get it, or burn you a compilation of some of their better songs.

Did you ever get into the British indie scene of the 80's and 90's? Some bands that excelled during that time were Joy Division/New Order, Echo and the bunnymen, The Boo Radleys, amongst others. And each of these groups are still making music today, although not on par with what they did during their primes, with the exception of maybe Brave Captain, who wsa the guitarist/songwriter from The Boo radleys.

The Super Furry Animals are making fantastic music these days. They have progressed very nicely as a band and are continuing to get better with each release.

And thats just a few off the top of my head...

Justin
I was never very into the groups you mention. Most of them have their appealing aspects to me on their best material though, and I even own a couple of things here and there. The British group which came out in the early 80's that I was most into (as opposed to the British groups which came out in the 70's, many of which I was and am very into) was Manchester's The Chameleons. More recently, I quite like Supergrass (way too many bands in this world with the "super" moniker somewhere in the name). But overall, I've been disappointed with the output from the UK for some time. I'll email you about your kind offer.
Received my new TAS today, had to smile when I got to page 147, and even more on 163...
The Lips will be on PBS's "Austin City Limits" show airing in most areas tonight, Sunday 1/5, according to the band website. The show was taped a couple months ago, and they back up Beck, but I think they also do their own set too. We shall see.