"Nobody is denying the existence of placebo effect or expectation bias or it's ugly sibling the reverse expectation bias or any other such psychological effects. But to declare that there are no proper tests is a little bit inaccurate."
No, its not. If you take my quote that you reference, "For years I've been asking them to show me the tests.", and put it in context with the rest of my statement:
"If you're right, and you really know what you are talking about, pick 2 products, conduct the test, and report your findings in a way so the rest of us can try it for ourselves. That's how a real scientist would do it."
we get a different picture. To me, if you wanted to conduct a scientificly valid listening test to compare 2 audio products, I can't see you going wrong doing it the above way. Not only that, if you read through the thread that the OP referenced, you'll see that, at least some of them, do agree with me. So again, it all boils down to the same exact thing. Show me the test's. If me declaring that there are no proper tests done is a little bit inaccurate, by all means, show me. I'll settle for just 1. And just to be clear, I really have been asking for years. I'm 100% serious. If you really want to, you can check my old AG threads.
Sorry, but before I forget; "I suspect maybe you've been asking the wrong people.". Maybe you're right about that. Who do I ask? I mean if I don't get results at a place like Hydrogen, where its their mission statement to go by science, and will actually censor threads if they don't contain content approved by the moderators, then who do I ask? If you really take a step back and look at this whole issue, the people who talk about doing these listening tests the most, avoid it like the plague. It doesn't even make sense.
No, its not. If you take my quote that you reference, "For years I've been asking them to show me the tests.", and put it in context with the rest of my statement:
"If you're right, and you really know what you are talking about, pick 2 products, conduct the test, and report your findings in a way so the rest of us can try it for ourselves. That's how a real scientist would do it."
we get a different picture. To me, if you wanted to conduct a scientificly valid listening test to compare 2 audio products, I can't see you going wrong doing it the above way. Not only that, if you read through the thread that the OP referenced, you'll see that, at least some of them, do agree with me. So again, it all boils down to the same exact thing. Show me the test's. If me declaring that there are no proper tests done is a little bit inaccurate, by all means, show me. I'll settle for just 1. And just to be clear, I really have been asking for years. I'm 100% serious. If you really want to, you can check my old AG threads.
Sorry, but before I forget; "I suspect maybe you've been asking the wrong people.". Maybe you're right about that. Who do I ask? I mean if I don't get results at a place like Hydrogen, where its their mission statement to go by science, and will actually censor threads if they don't contain content approved by the moderators, then who do I ask? If you really take a step back and look at this whole issue, the people who talk about doing these listening tests the most, avoid it like the plague. It doesn't even make sense.