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Is $18,000 enough for a high end HT?

This will be my first attempt at building a HT. My room size is: 19'L x 11'2"W x 8'H. This room is a library. I want high-end stuff. I want my windows to rattle when the Apollo 13 takes off. I want to be tempted to get up and dance when a good music score comes on. I want to build it myself as I think it would be a lot of fun. I have plenty of vacation time that I could use. The following is what I would expect:

1. A projector with Texas Instruments' Mustang/HD2 and 16:9 aspect ratio
2. Recessed screen
3. 5 on or in ceiling speakers (Thiel or Triad I’m thinking)
4. 1 Subwoofer
5. DVD player
6. Power Conditioner
7. Processor
8. A 5 channel Amplifier
9. Cables for the items on the list

When I priced every thing I wanted individually the price came to over 25K. Bare in mind $18,000 is a lot of money for me. However, I figured since we spend a ¼ of our lives watching TV it is well worth the investment. I invested some money a few years ago explicitly for my HT. Besides, I figured if my wife is not happy with all the money I will be spending, I could just say, that I am not taking the money from our cash flow, rather from a fund specifically set up for a HT. I am thinking maybe I should pull money out now. But is 18k enough? I am not willing to spend that kind of money if I will not have a great HT. Perhaps I should wait a couple of more years until I save up more money and the technologies go down in price. (I'm concerned that I will say that in two years again as I did two years ago. There are always newer technologies coming out.) I have no experience with any dealer and want to know if I could expect such a deal from a reputable authorized dealer. I read in Robert Harley’s book: “Home Theater For Everyone” that choosing the dealer is far more important then choosing the manufacturer of the components. In my experience for other purchases I find this to be very true. It seems there will always be tech support issues. Also, when I want to upgrade and add components, the dealer will know exactly what I have and all of my issues and I would be able to get his/her valuable input. I plan on adding within the next year or so, an AMX system for control, a video processor and an HDTV set top box.

The cables I would start off not so high end as I want to see for myself over time if they make a difference. However, the cables that would go in my ceiling I would want high end because it would be a big pain to replace those. I would also be flexible with the projector, I would settle for a refurbished or demo unit (with valid warranty). I would even settle for a good one that has an HD1 chip and an XGA resolution. I have seen some of those and they are definitely good enough.
captaincapitalism
mrpoindexter
63 posts
 
If you are smart about spending your $$$, you will have a kick ass system.

First off, no need to spend a fortune on the video path.

NEC XG-110LC $3500 used
Home Theater PC with Immersive H3DII - less than $2000 new
Da-Lite 48"x84" 1.5 gain screen. Do not get a retractable unless it is tensioned, which is expensive. A fixed screen will do well and if you want to cover it up, put up some drapes.

This will give you a video path that will smoke ANY digital projection system AT ANY PRICE as long as you are not wanting to run an insane sized screen where the brightness of a digital is required. The HTPC will scale anything including HDTV!

You would be out less than $6500 for your video system.

For audio, a nice 7.1 system with speakers, sub and processor/amp combo could be had for $6000. Not high end by Audiogon standards, but high end by J6P standards, easily. I will leave that part of the equation to others.

With the remaining $$, you could get an SDI modified DVD changer ($1100) and HTPC control software/hardware (MainLobby, DVDLobby, DVDProfiler, sLINKe $400) and you will have a 300 disc Escient style system for DVD. Add in $500 and get yourself a D-Theater HDTV VCR and another $600 for a Samsung SIR T-165 and you can watch anything in the native rate it was broadcast in (720p for ABC, 1080i for others) and record HDTV on your HDTV VCR.

Add another $1000 for a Buttkicker, amp and parts to make a floating platform and you will have some bass sensations you cannot get with subwoofers at any price. Or, you could pass on this part and upgrade the sound system by $1K.

You can even pay for tax if you don't buy out of state and still have $500 left for some movies.
redwoodgarden
150 posts
 
It is possible to have a high end HT for $18,000, but you are going to have to work hard to do it.

First you have to educate yourself on the equipment out there so you can get the best bang for your buck. Asking questions at this forum is a good start. I have been involved with this forum for a year now. At this point I feel informed enough to set up a good system.

Don't be afraid to buy good used equipment at this sight for half price. You are taking a chance, but if you are informed, you can usually get a good bargain. Most people that sell used items here are honest and just want to sell their equipment so they can take the next step up the ladder. Large TVs need to be purchased locally, but everything else could be gotten used over the internet.

Some equipment needs to be high end to get good results, some equipment is not cost efficient at the high end. With a 19 foot room for example, a large screen HD projection TV is a much better bargain, than a plasma TV, or front projection TV. Speaker wire and interconnects reach their point of deminishing returns with about 99.9% pure copper. Nordost has 99.999999% copper with a silver coating up to $3,000 a yard. Obviously that would be a wasted investment on a $18,000 system. On the other hand, speakers, amplifiers, digital processors have to be high end to sound good. Just make sure that you get them used to stay in your price range. This is enough to keep you occupied for a while. I hope this helps.

slappy
903 posts
 
Wow. Alot of people have some pretty serious demands for a high end HT.

Im not too sure i agree with high end HT. Come on, its a movie. I have a HT system for under 10k that sounds absolutly incredible. I have yet to hear something better. Im not saying that its the best, im sure there are ones better than it, but sound-wise its fantastic. I dont have the HDTV yet, but non-the less, soundwise it is straight up to par.

If this is strictly a HT system and not 2chan, why not go budget and get great sound?

Here is a HT system that would cost under 10 grand and sound incredible.

Sunfire grand cinema approx 1,200 used
Sunfire 200w 5ch Amp, approx 1,000 used
Deftech BP2004TL, F/R/SL/SR, about 3,300 NEW
Deftech CLR about 800 New
Good DVD player Roughly 1000 new
Cable throughout estimate7,000
Projector, roughly 2000 used
TOTAL---------------------- total about 10,000

with the deftechs built in subwoofers, an additional sub is optional, but probably not needed. The above system would be a rocking home theater that would easily sound better than any of the cineplexes you might go to.

HT is so easy and cheap to make it sound great, Its a total different world than 2chan music, you dont need to invest a whole lot into it.

No offence to everyone else, but if you have to spend over 10k for a good HT setup, because you cannot appreciate a movie with the system listed above, you are pretty anal.
No "HIGH END" i guess 40,000+ is going to sound a whole lot better than the system i listed. It might sound a little better, but is that small improvement worth 30,000?

I can understand a 50,000 2ch setup, but not in a HT. unless you really just have money to burn and demand the best.
redwoodgarden
150 posts
 
Slappy, why not incorporate the $50,000 two channel stereo into your home theater. Unfortunately I listened to too many opinions here that frown on combined HT and 2 channel stereo. When there's a will, there's a way. I thought long and hard about how to combine the two together and I came up with a way to do it, and it works well for me. If you like the great sound with your movies and already have a high end stereo, just think about it for a while and everything will fall in place. All that you will need extra for a high end HT is a HD TV, digital movie sound decoder, line doubler, DVD player, and popcorn.
slappy
903 posts
 
Redwoodgarden

Ya know what, ive been thinking about doing that, there ARE problems associated with it, but nothing somebody cannot overcome.

My issue is this. My HT setup is in the rumpus room in the basement. The ol' lady and i really dont spend a whole lot of time down there. Mostly to watch movies. Most of the time we are upstairs or on the deck, or the kitchen, etc etc

So in my particular case, a 2 chanel music setup in the livingroom upstairs would probably be the most ideal, and leave the HT downstairs.

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