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Which "stand alone" processor ???

I recently disconnected the pre / processor / tuner ( Denon AVP-8000) that i was running in my HT system due to "upgraditis" or "audio fever". As such, i temporarily replaced it with one of my two channel preamps ( Marsh P2000 ). I chose the Marsh out of my collection as it offers good versatility with quite a few inputs along with a full function remote. After all, who wants to get up to adjust the volume when watching a movie : )

The synergy that this created with the Sunfire Signature (mains) and Sunfire Cinema Grand Signature (center, surrounds, subs)is quite excellent. It's given me the "fullness" and "musicality" that i was always lacking up to this point in time. On top of this, my "big box" towers have now seemed to disappear. While they have always imaged quite well, you could always tell where the speakers were. The music is now filling the room instead of coming from specific points along the front wall. With such unexpected results, i've decided to leave this combo in place and seek out a seperate processor.

For the record, i've had pre / tuner / processors from Denon ( AVP 8000 ), Parasound ( I think it was the 1800 ??? ), Marantz (AV-9000), etc.. I went this route as a matter of convenience and space saving. Prior to this, i had a seperate tuner (Yamaha TX-950), preamp (AGI 511A) and processor ( Technics AC-300 ) in this system that worked okay, but was just too much in terms of rack space and was tonally lean overall. Since the current Marsh / Sunfire combo is by far the best sound that i've ever gotten out of this system, i'm willing to "eat up space" again in order to maintain the level of sonics that i've now achieved.

Maybe it's the fact that i'm listening in two channel rather than surround that seems "more natural". The funny thing is that i'm now using the stock DAC in the DVD player ( Sony DVP-650C) with far better than expected results. I was using the DAC's in the various processors in all of the other installations. I did this because the Sony had what seemed like way too much "digital glare" when trying to use it by itself in the past. Either way, i now have the most seamless sound with a bigger, deeper soundstage than this system has ever given me. I'm really wondering how much "bigger" it can get with all of the speakers running.

Given the above info and situation, has anybody else "been there, done that" ??? If so, were you able to incorporate a stand alone processor that did not compromise the sonics of the system as a whole ??? If so, what processor worked the best for you ? Quite honestly, one of my main concerns is that the processor either be reasonably priced or easily upgraded for future formats. I don't want to sink a lot of money into a processor that is out of date in six months. As such, the processor that i was considering before dropping the Marsh into the system ( Sunfire Theater Grand Mk II ) will be replaced later this year from what i'm told. Like many others, they will be coming out with a 7.1 channel system and that's what has me leary about buying something that is CURRENTLY "state of the art". Any thoughts or comments welcome.... Sean
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chstob
140 posts
 
I forgot B&K pre/pros. These, actually should get a hard look. They are reaasonably priced, software upgradable, abundant in the aftermarket, just under the AVP/CNnova in Ht and 2ch., but really nice. Also see the Cal Audio (there is a review floating around somewhere on the net) new pre/pro and EAD has one. . .man, the playing field is big. BTW I saw a Theta Casa Nova at audioweb the other day for $2000, and forgot to mention these have a really nice bass management system that you can fully customize.

Chris
jsbail
368 posts
 
I think you are better off runing a processor through a two channel preamp with a by-pass feature. No stand alone processor will sound as good as a ARC LS25, Sonic Frontiers line 2 or 3 ect. You can use a HT receiver with pre-outs and you won't need a three channel amp.
once_bitten
36 posts
 
I must agree with Chris. Not too long ago I was in a similar state of confusion as you Sean. And while I do agree with Chris, I also purchased the Proceed AVP, what sounds good in my system at my house may sound terrible in yours. Actually, I don't believe the AVP can sound terrible, maybe just not as good. Being a "hobbyist", not a true audiophile yet, I am quite pleased with my set-up. While moderately priced, more often than not I prefer my HT system over the many different 2ch. systems I've heard in a lot of the Los Angeles area Audio Shops. Granted, I'm not comparing it to the way hi-end systems, just what the shops demo speakers with. So for your info, this is my set-up, hope it helps:
Proceed AVP
Musical Fidelity E-624 CD
Rotel RMB-1095 amp(200wpcx5)
Def. Tech. BP3000tl mains
Analysis Plus Oval9 bi-wire to mains
Tara Labs Master GenII interconnects(CD-AVP)
Analysis Plus silver Balanced ICs(AVP-amp)
BMI Whale pc for CD player
Black Mamba pc for AVP
MIT Z-cord 2 pc for amp
This is my 2 channel set-up, and I use the analog pass-thru feature available on the AVP. So far, so good. BTW, I disagree with Chris on one point. I don't know if there can be a better processor for HT, everyone who has watched a movie at my house has been stunned by the sound, not only that, but the AVP has "broadcast-quality" video switching. Happy Hunting, Jeff
chstob
140 posts
 
Jeff, I was just trying to be objective and politically correct to account for those pre/pros. that I have no first hand experience with, but certainly MUST sound better for HT playback based on their double or even triple the retail price of the AVP! But like you, I couldn't be happier with the performance in either arena. If there is something better out there at this price point right now, I don't even want to know about it. Ignorance is bliss! :)
Chris
bulldogger
277 posts
 
The only surround processor that can match a two channel only pre-amp is the California Audio Labs SSP-2500. Check Widescreen Review for information. I have often noticed what you discribed with surround processors lacking the sound quality of an analog only pre-amp. The Cal 2500 cost 5400.00 only has about 5 surround modes, no video switching or built in tuner, and only 5.1 channels. Why then does it cost so much? Because Cal chose to invest more in the hardware for better sound instead of having more features and worse sound quality.
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