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Redkiwi, a most erudite, well considered post and a joy to read. Wished I had written it. A sincere thanks..and Jadem, though Jostler surely is able to defend himself, I think you are doing him an injustice. I love this forum, because all my conscious life I have not only been fascinated with audio, but also with the ways how people think, reason , percieve and argue. Whenever I've tried to cross swords with Jostler, I've not found him narrow minded nor basically intolerant about different points of view. Rather, within the precepts of what you might call a positivist philosophy,( which is a legitimate set of premises of what we can know, and what not), he seems to me on a crusade against sloppy thinking, twisted logic and muddled asumptions. He's excellent at picking out the weak spot of an argument and he aims well. I don't share his precepts, but I think I know a good mind, when I see one. I sincerely hope, he'll not get bored with us, nor we with him, even though sometimes his arguments might sting. Even if I don't agree, I find his astuteness helps to fine hone my own reasonings and to clarify better where I actually am. How can I grow in knowledge or in perceptive powers, if everyone would agree with me. I'd just become complacent and lazy. People like Jostler keep me on my toes.

Jademo6, I think your last post contained a rather unfair ad hominem snide in the direction of Jostler3. Even though he often doesn't mince words either, he seems generally careful in avoiding an ad personam argument. Hence my negative vote to this your post and this in spite of the fact, that I tend to be more at home in your way of thinking.

Redkiwi, excellent post. You speak for me and I am sure there are many more who agree word for word with you. Like Detlof, I wish I had written it.

I apologise to first Jostler and then to Katharine. I was indeed out of line and I too hope the discussions grow. it was my lack of perspective and that's all I will say. Please forgive me Jostler for my assult, I will try to stay out of this one for now. J.D.