Purist Audio, Elrod or Shunyata power cord?


Hi all,

Need some advice on the power cord for my amp.
I tried many other cables out there, and burned lots of cash still could not bring the desire performance.

I have tried many out... now am consider changing the power cord from the amp and the speaker cable.
I have Purist Audio, Elrod, and Shunyata on my list...
But envy you guys, I do not have a way to audition all of the cables from the list.
I also don't have the budget for a 3000+ cable, and will like to start work my way up to bring the desire performance.

My components are as follow:

Meridian G08 cd player
interconnect from cd to pre:Tara Lab The One+FGS interconnect.
power for cdp: MIT Oracle AC1

Edge Sign. One preamp.
interconnect from pre to power: MIT Oracle 350
power for pre amp: Hand made brand Shark silver.

Edge G8 amp.
power for amp: Liner Acustic OCC copper.

Speaker: Ascendo system E
Speaker Cable: Analysis Plus Solo Crystal.

What are your opinions if what I am trying to get out of is the vivid "body" that's got details, big sound stage, deep base but not too lean or warm at mid. to bring the as-real-as-live kind of sound?

any suggesstion is appreciated.

regards

mbadscl
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I would perhaps disagree that the King Cobra V2 robs the sound of "dynamics." I might suggest that it is less refined than some other cords, but lacking dynamics??? Not in my book: I was afraid it was going to blow out the woofers on my amps, it was THAT dynamic. Hadn't had THAT experience before. However, the upper midrange seemed reticent to my ears, and when I used other power cords, it was clear that that's the frequency that was missing. Besides, what the King Cobra V2 did in the upper bass/lower midrange, where much orchestral "power" lies, was -- and I hate this overused, overhyped word -- amazing. Not that I think of live music as "amazing" when I hear it, but the King Cobra kept drum rolls exceedingly distinct, and "alive." It's the only power cord, that, Transparents, Nordosts (current line)and even current Shunyatas notwithstanding, I sigh nostalgically now that I sold them. That was one stupid decision: no matter what the newer line does, the King Cobras were gorgeous. There was actually AIR BEHIND THE BRASS at the very back of the soundstage. And the imaging: kill me now, I tell you! RIGHT NOW! I sure miss that cable.
Having said that, I have no idea what Elrods, and the other biggies are like, but that in no way detracts from the King Cobra V2: used with superior tubed equipment, it was the first time since 1984 that I actually trembled at how vivid the presentation was. (Hurricane amps, by the way.)
My point? I never heard the Shunyata King Cobra V1, but when one says "...All Shunyata 'noise reduction' series cords rob dynamics to some extent, which is why I don't care for them on my amps. However, they do have some *magic* when used for digital applications..." I can only wonder what they have now, 'cuz I SURELY want to hear it.

This is not to pick on Jmcgrogan2 or diss him, it's just to say, "wow...we had VERY different experiences with that cord." I could never, EVER accuse that particular power cord (KCV2)of a loss of dynamics. EVER.

Now, onto the original poster's question: I setup a system for a friend, and loaned him my MIT 770 CVT Twin interconnects. I also had a King Cobra on his ARcam integrated amp (quite dazzling, hearing the "fog" in the soundstage vanish so clearly that my female friend blurted out, "I can see why this cord costs $2000!") and Transparent's cheap MusicWave speaker cable on Mirage speakers. The sound was intensely "vivid" and projected. In fact, I recently setup a smaller system with the EXACT same line, except a newer Arcam integrate and newer Mirage speakers, although his were 490, and these are 490is speakers. The "projection" was not there. The only, and I mean, ONLY difference was the MIT interconnects (now, as I write, on their way from California). I'm using Nordost, and it is NOT projecting. I recall that in TAS, in the speaker cable survey, it was mentioned that the MIT had the ability to project the sound into the room and image like mad. This is the MIT sound: vivid and projected. Fortunately, I don't have to guess. The interconnect will be here by Friday and I'll post after I put it in the system. Unfortunately, I'll have to use a Black Mamba on the integrated, but otherwise, the system, given that I have a newer Arcam integrated and newer speakers, will be exactly the same -- except for the room, of course -- but it should be illuminating. My experience is that a company has a "sound" that exists within its whole line. Very few companies have forward power cords, recessed interconnects, etc. The only exception to this at one time Goldmund, whose Studio turntable was non-linear all over the place and somewhat dark. However, their electronics, notably the Mimesis 9, was quite NOT-DARK. So, I would expect that, whatever the sonic signature of MIT's cables, so goes the power cord. I used MIT until 1994, when I became a reviewer, at which time I switched to Transparent, and even as I'm writing this sentence, I'm having an Aha! moment: the MIT was airier and had the equivalent of a 100 watt bulb, while the Transparent was more "transparent." However, I had both MIT and Transparent speaker cable simultaneously, and loaned them out, curious about reactions. Everyone said the Transparent was more "transparent" but what they didn't pick up was that the MIT made a guitar sound as though it weighed 15 pounds, while the (older) Transparent cable and even the (current) Nordost Valhalla, which I have, make a guitar sound like it weighs 6 pounds. MIT has more weight and body. And it definitely projects the sound, as confirmed in the TAS speaker survey recently. See issue 146, and Gader's comments that the AVT 1 speaker cable sounds "...livelier, more in-the-room..."

Sorry to ramble, but it's funny you should have asked that question. I was just reading (back)issue 136 of TAS, and the reviewer, Greg Petan, noted that the Nordost was more lightweight sounding and that the MIT exuded more fleshed-out sonics.

Since you have MIT Oracle, perhaps you should try their power cord first. I'm curious: do you find the sonics NOT projecting and vivid right now?? Is it that you want more of that or do you not hear it that way with the system you have??
Mphnkns, I still have many Shunyata's (Anaconda Vx, King Cobra V2, Cobra's, and Black Mamba), and I find them to be extremely good power cords. Their strengths IMHO are the rich, warm harmonic textures they weave through a black background. They do NOT have the dynamic impact of my Elrod EPS-3 Signatures though. For that matter, I felt that the Virtual Dynamics Nite and Shunyata Taipan power cords were more dynamic than the Shunyata's noise reduction cords. Shunyata even admits as much on their website. That is why they extended their pacesetter line.

Maybe we've had different experiences, or maybe we're just not communicating correctly. The Shunyata's have great bass, thunderous bass, with lean electronics or speakers I may prefer them. The Elrod/VD cords don't offer the quantity of bass, but tighter, better defined bass. In my opinion, the word dynamic is used meaning speed. The KC V2 will blow out your speakers, but that doesn't translate into speed or dynamics. The Elrod can still cause the walls to vibrate, but the attack and decay of the bass notes is quicker, less bass bloat,IMHO. In the end it just depends on your associated equipment and musical tastes. I would descibe the Shunyata cords as sounding like good tube equipment, while the Elrod cords are more like good solid state. Not that the Shunyata's are not dynamic, or the Elrod's are not musical, they just each have their own strength.
Elrod's bass is more like Krell amp, while the Shunyata bass is more like the ASL Hurricanes.

Just my $0.02.

Cheers,
John
Thanks for your insights into the sonics of the Elrods and the Shunyatas. I have't heard the Elrods on MY equipment, so I can't really comment. I would need to hear them in my system first, and I think that should always be the case in anyone's system. Unless a component is completely neutral, it will shift the sonics in some way.
I hope this is all helpful to the original poster.

John:
I just re-read your statement:

"...For that matter, I felt that the Virtual Dynamics Nite and Shunyata Taipan power cords were more dynamic than the Shunyata's noise reduction cords. Shunyata even admits as much on their website. That is why they extended their pacesetter line...."
May I ask where you saw that on the website? I've looked, but haven't been able to see where they acknowledged the lack of dynamics or speed.
Maybe this will help.

Shunyata Power Systems Guide

To improve transient response, pace and dynamics -- substitute a Pacesetter cable for a Noise Reduction cable.

This is the first line in the final paragraph.

Cheers,
John