TOTALLY CONFUSED about analog

FZX, you've got it nailed--totally. Ken, you need to start where the previous post starts. I've posted similar before:
Why are you going into analog? I would not recommend anyone w/out records to start analog, either...

Just give it some thought and if you still want the DJ TT, let me know and I'll help you. Sedond, did't you read the post about the guy who has Technics 1800's and an Oracle w/an SME arm? He wrote they are not too far apart--and that's w/out the fluid damper...maybe I'll catch up with you! And if so will probably overthrow you as a Bargain King!

Clueless (which you are far from, may I say), I really agree with you. At its best, vinyl offers lush, beautiful sound that, in my opinion, CAN BE but seldom IS matched by anything digital. It goes without saying, too, that there is an awful lot of wonderful material available only on vinyl. But from my perspective surface noise is a detriment to the listening experience that I find every bit as serious as the edgy sound of poor quality digital. And, while it is all very well to say that "if they sound like bacon they go to the trash," the truth is that if every LP with surface noise was discarded, there'd be damned few copies left to love.

Listening is for a me much more than a casual experience. It is a food group, right up there with rare beef, chocolate, and good beer. That's why I have Utopias, which I definitely CANNOT afford. My personal choice is to accept the steadily diminishing limitations of the digital domain in preference to the noise of vinyl and the time-consuming demands of its care and feeding.

I respect others who choose differently. One of the nice things about a-gon is that most people respect my choices, as well.

Keep having fun!

bishopwell, i guess that's why there's more than one kinda car, and all ice cream ain't vanilla... ;~) i have excercised minimal care-n-feeding of vinyl in ~35 years of spinning it, and, while i acknowledge surface noise is an issue w/some albums, the overwhelming majority of 'em are emminently musical, w/o surface noise being a distraction, even the *oldies*. and, no edgy digital sound - who cares if the background is perfect, when the main event is irritating? :>)

i do agree that, w/quality tubed electronics, and a good dac, the problems of redbook cd are diminishing. it was only w/in the past few months that i finally heard digital that i could *really* enjoy: a food-group, if you will. while i still long for the day that the software mfr's finally decide on a much-needed replacement for cd, so digital audio can lay waste to vinyl once & for all - no reason why it *shouldnt* be able to do so - at least, in the meantime, i can finally savor the taste of my digital software - *almost* as yummy as those big black 12" discs! ;~)

doug s.

Bishopwill-

Regarding surface noise (as well as the original question on cartridges)- I noticed a remarkable decrease in surface noise in going from a Sumiko Talisman (a somewhat modest high output MC) to a Benz LO.4.

To tell the complete story, originally had a P3 with the Talisman, then got a Well Tempered Classic and installed the Talisman. Some noise went away just in moving to the WT, but the REAL noise reduction came when the LO.4 was installed.

Additionally, I make judicious use of a DBX 3BX in the tape loop, which gets rid of ALOT of surface noise. While some may scoff at the extra connections and theoretical distortions from 'signal processing', friends are almost always surprised that an LP is playing because they don't hear the bacon frying in the backround and Phillips has convinced them that CDs sound "perfect". Except they now now that LPs can sound "perfecter". (Yeah, I know that ain't no good english, so you CD guys don't write me no letters...)

I also have a Burwen TNE that I haven't used in several years because I haven't heard much 'Rice Krispies' with this rig. Know anyone looking for a TNE?

This thread is making me hungry for some breakfast....

Regards
Jim

I've been collecting vinyls since I'm 5. When I've got my first cheap used Nad CD player and played "Dark Side of The Moon" (That was the first CD I've ever played back there) i was literally dissapointed with the sound. I was TOTALLY CONFUSED and by advise of my friend bought newer Marantz CD 67se. I continued to complain to my friend and he said me to hook up the turntable back and quit complaining.
That's what I did. One of my favorite Pink Floyd albumes "Dark Side of the Moon" "fries for me a bit of beacon" but I live with it and still listen to it.
The first thing to benefit from ANY turntable that vinyl is already in most cases better software than digital CD.