Helikon run-in groove problem.....


OK...I just spent 2 hours with a very knowledgeable technician trying to figure out why my new (2 months old) helikon (regular) runs in on the lead in groove on some records. My arm is a VPI 10.5 and the tech is quite good at set up and VTA etc. We tried playing with the tonearm cable on the VPI (this is the cable conected to arm tube and the rear arm conection and is also used for anti-skate). We checked the weight,VTA, and still on some records (yes some older Mer's) even newer records..it runs in for a few revolutions or gooves. It is very annoying but does not happen at the end of the record and it plays quit nicely overall. This should be a good question for Helikon/VPI arm 'goners.

Thanks for your help!
rwd
I have both Benz M2 and Lyra Helikon. For some reason I do not set up an andtiscating(with cheap RB300!) since on some records with even small flows it will skip. I've got a great practice within the time of using records(since I was 5) to place a needle by using just fingers without tonearm lifter trying to place the stylus right onto the record bypassing the "lead-in-groove". The same thing can be done with the arm-lifter. It just take a little-longer to place the cartridge on the presice record-groove position.
Some vinyls have better designed pressing quality with almost flat "lead-in-groove" that don't require any antiscating applied and some vinyls look like a pizza where any cartridge will surf through the "lead-in-groove".
One more thing:
Most of the used records even if visually in excellent condition have a surface noise at the beginning(lead-in-groove problem) so practice on some cheap vinyls to place a needle right onto the record:)
I just wanted to keep you all posted as to my progress with this problem............
Well here I am, red-faced, and STILL with the problem unfixed!
I was centain it was the arm lift that was causing the problem. I even viewed the arm semi-pausing on decent. So yesterday, my tech friend and I changed the arm lift to a brand new one and tried it out. Some records fine.....some not so!! It almost seems as though the Hilikon cartridge needs to sit in the lead-in groove just right and if it doesn't it skips out. Does this make sense? Anyway I have tried to lower the cartridge myself by hand and this sometimes causes the cartridge to skip in........then other times (if I hit the lead-in just right-usually closer to the actual record groove) it catches the groove just right.
Now I'm wondering if it is the cartridge???? It works and sound fine when playing a record??
I am calling the cartridge dealer to see if he has heard any problems like this in the past. I hope to resolve this and keep you all posted.
I want to get back to you all on this subject and close it out...........the culprit was the anti-skating. The cable between the arm block and the arm needs to be played with to get the proper anti-skate. I played, it work.......

P.S. I also changed the arm lift but the problem still remained untill I continued to adjust the cable.
Hope this helps!
One more suggestion that might help. I'm glad that you discovered that tweaking the cable helps; however, I suspect that the cable will continue to go out of "adjustment", and it's also possible that there is more than one thing at play (pun intended) here.

I have found that on my VPI table (I'm guessing that you have a VPI table as well), if I overtighten the record clamp it will cause some records to actually "lift" slightly along their outer edge and actually lose contact with the platter. This, of course, would affect the lead-in groove the most. Try using less torque on your clamp and see if that also helps.

Good luck.