Preamp-phonostage selection for analog lover

Vinyls and tube gears go hand in hand. If you like the sound of vinyls, tube amp and tube preamp would make it sound even better. For your budget, I would go with ARC SP8 and stay away from SP9. The only things about SP8 is you need a high output cartridge or a step-up unit. Once you get into tube preamp, you will eventually get a tube amp.
Someone here once said the difference between digital vs vinyl, solid state vs tube, is like having sex and making love. Good Luck.

Thank you so much for the responses to my post. I must first address the borderline seductive post of Blptwp. Both of the enjoyment avenues you mention (NOT referring to the D/V or SS/T debate) can be thrilling and exciting but needn't, necessarily, be mutually inclusive, so your analogy doesn't exactly "grab" me! ;-) Although I do have an EX husband, so that might temper my opinion. Just kidding, Blptwp. Say, are moderators lurking on this board? Hee Hee

I am happy with my McCormack at this point and do not plan to exchange for a tube amp in the immediate future. My ex and I had a SERIES of stereo gear including both SS and tubes, so I appreciate the sound created by both. I hasten to add that I have always had either integrated amps or (close your ears) receivers, so this is my first fling into the preamp/stage world. The McCormack is very clean and powerful enough to fill my room and drive most any speaker. I am satisfied with the choice. I want to go with a tube preamp and phono (or combo) because the Mc does about all I expect on the low end and is just a slip bright at the top (but not harsh). The middies, in my mind, is where it could use a nice smooth and lifting hand. The staging of the Mc is great and the imaging is the best I have heard on any amp I have owned or I have auditioned.

It seems like there is some consensus about Acoustic Research and the Audible Illusions. I thought there would be more CJ and Rogue recommendations. I am pleased though, in a way, that the responses have been somewhat the same. I also assumed there would be a different opinion at every turn and I would just get even more confused.

A couple of kind people have asked me questions that I should address.

Sean - I am using a very old AT cartridge that was lying about unused. It was meant for a Pioneer direct drive table we had many years ago. I only use it because it is all I had that wouldn't damage my records. I am fully open to most any cartridge within my price range.

Sdcampbell - the Cube I have borrowed is of the old power supply incarnation. I would be interested to hear the difference. It is a good unit as it stands, though not the one I would buy again.

Jeffloistarca - I can live with or without a remote. I would prefer to have it but, if not, oh well. When otherwise involved with either of the things Blptwp mentions while listening, it is nearly mandatory, though! :-)
I mostly listen to jazz/rock/blues. I am a creation of the late 50's and came of "musical" age during the late 60's through the 70's when most good music was made (even if the recording quality wasn't always good)! I like and listen to such a variety that it is hard to specify. I will say that Disco sucks, and I have no fondness for metal bands, pop, rap or hip-hop. Other than that, I like Sinatra to Sting; Miles Davis to Larry Carlton; Beach Boys to Led Zeppelin; Perlman to Bela Fleck.

Sean - I have not received any proposals via e-mail as yet, though anyone who would propose "digitally" would have to queue, and remain, at the back of a recently growing line! I have resolved that any future proposals will be posed by me and accepted or rejected on the "other" end! HA HA.

Thanks you one and all. Now it is time to visit a few garage sales for that lurking vinyl gem!

Barbara

Good comments and suggestions have been offered. I'd like to share just a note of caution. Making the right choice in a preamplifier is profoundly affected by your priorities (what is important to you) in music reproduction. This can include the type of music to which you most often listen.

For my tastes and for what I value in music reproduction, I have always preferred the musical naturalness of Conrad-Johnson equipment, particularly with "later" PV-9 or PV-10 models and models designed thereafter. IMHO, these two full-function preamps are two of the most satisfying tube preamps available in the "lower-cost" used market, both of which typically sell in the $600-900 range. The C-J equipment will not be happy with a low-output cartridge, but performs quite well with cartridges in the 1.2mv and higher output levels.

If you've like the Black Cube, the ARC recommendations will work well for you. For my tastes, I have simply never found the musical satisfaction with the ARC preamps that I find with comparable Conrad-Johnson equipment. It's a matter of one's priorities in listening, not an issue of which is better or worse.

For point of reference, I listen almost exclusively to acoustic music (acoustic instruments and voice), and 90% of my listening is to classical music. Also, I have a strong bias in favor of tube electronics based on my priorities and my listening experiences over the years. Most important to me for sound reproduction are: midrange accuracy, reproducing correctly the timbre of the instruments, harmonic integrity and capturing the delicate harmonic overtones, and soundstaging. The C-J equipment has always done these things superbly.

Best of luck as you pursue assembling the right system for you! And congratulations on your dedication to vinyl!

Barbara, since you opened the door for more propositions - oops, proposals - err, ideas, there's a Rogue 99 Magnum preamp being offered for sale in the classifieds for $1800. It's a great unit (and it does have a remote).

I'm not familiar with the specific ARC and C-J units others have mentioned, but these older units have the virtue of a cheaper price, hence more to spend on that cartridge or vinyl.

BTW, which tonearm are you using (I presume a Rega)? Prefer moving magnet cartridges or open to moving coils? Type of sound - highly resolved and detailed vs lush and warm? Burgundy or cabernet? Oops, did it again.

There are add-ons for tts that will automatically lift the tonearm at run-out, so you don't have stop and interrupt ... well, you know.

Sorry, but old grandpas get a little light headed when certain subjects are raised.

Barbara,

Good to see your focus is vinyl. I have extensive experience with this medium and am fortunate enough to hear most of the phonostages and some of the top carts out there. Considering where you came from and desire to improve I offer the following suggestions. Phonostage- Conrad Johnson EV1 (tube)- List price $1500 used ($800-$1000 if you can find) I have compared this with the big boy 15 premier and just could not open my pocket book to send the extra. This stage has 49 db gain, more than enough for any MM and handles most MC's down to 1mv. Another good unit is Quicksilver phono (tube) about 40 db gain (works with MM's) they also offer a transformer which increases gain about 20 db and works with all carts down to .25mv. ( cost new about $1000 for the stage and $450 for the transformer). Another great unit used is the pass aleph ono (SS), once plugged in and warmed up for 24 HOURS it sings and will hang with all but the very top (used approx $1000-$1300).

As to carts, what is wrong with used assuming you are buying from a very knowledgeable source. You are able to get much more cart for the $ than new. But in your price range for new The benz line and dynavector are very hard to beat for the $. I have used both lines and rank them amoung the best for the $. The dynavector XV-1 I rank as the best cart out there. Once you get a cart buy a wallytractor to set it up properly. That really makes a difference.

As to preamps- Conrad johnson (14, 17 etc) and the quicksilver linestage has remote and a $1000 price new.

Anyway, I hope this helps and that you are not to overwhelmed by all the inforamtion you will get. I have used each of the above mentioned items in a $70K system and they truley do not give up much to the top. But as you know or will know getting 90% of the way there is pretty easy that last 10% is a bitch and very expensive.

Good luck & be well