Doug will be pleased to know that JHunter did apologise, thank you JH. I understand why scientists get so excercised about attacks on their understanding of the physical world: at the trade schools like M.I.T and CalTech, they don't get any philosophy or literature to broaden their understanding of reality. Newton and Descartes called themselves "natural philosophers", an appelation more in line with attempting to find the causes of observed effects. The natural philosophers had a better grasp of their limitations.
Today, "scientists" are trained to "believe" in "physical laws". If you can measure it, it's true.
Textbooks discuss things like the "discovery" of the electron but no one's seen an electron, only the tracks they leave. But electron theory explains those tracks and so there is science until Schrodinger, Planck and Heisenberg come along and stumble across "quanta" which behave differently. So they invent quantum mechanics that explains that behavior within the confines of existing electron theory. The math works,the observable phenomena conform to the math and once again we have "science". What we don't have is fact, only theory.
Now theory is a wonderful thing. Electron, or Quantum Theory is really good at predicting things that can't be seen or otherwise verified. But Theory by it's very nature is open-ended and that's why it's valuable. When theory becomes a belief system, that's when things get messy and natural philosophers become techies. Or as I like to call them, acolytes.
Now, while us Audiogoners were slinging electrons at each other, 2 Israeli teenagers, a 4 month old Palestinian and lot's of others were killed over a belief system. That's cause for anger. Kinda puts power cords in perspective, yes?
It also makes you wonder what this discussion would be like if we are all in a room instead of safely ensconced behind our keyboards?
I do heavy, physical work all day. Anybody wanna fight?