Woofer pumping - what gives?


Some years ago I noticed that regardless of the speakers, cartridge or preamp in the circuit my woofers pump wildly out of control the more I advance the volume while playing an LP. They don't seem to be responding to the musical signal but something else. The sound is fine. My humble rig is a Dual 1219 with a NOS Shure M91ED cartridge. Tapes made from the same LP's do not exhibit this odd behavior. Who knows why woofers look like they're going nuts while playing an LP?
rockvirgo
If your turntable has a dustcover, I'd suggest removing it–that could exacerbate low-frequency "feedback" from your speakers.
Do the woofers "wobble" when playing stuff that has no low bass? If so its not feedback. Im guessing Sktn77a has got it right.
blkadr ... my woofers used to wobble even when the record was just cued up and the track hadn't started. I think that subsonic feedback can occur just due to warping of records. For the wobbling to be visible as wobbling (and not a blur) the frequency will be well below normally audible frequencies. so I'm not sure the amount of bass on the track in question is relevant.
That's not saying that my diagnosis is correct, just that you don't have to be playing a bassy recording in order to notice it.
Seandtaylor99 is dead correct. I have seen this on the lead-in track of some LPs - no audible sound, but the woofers were doing the "wubba wubba" inaudibly and grotesquely - like a fat man bellydancing!

One thing I _have_ noticed, is that once you hit a certain point, the "wubba wubbas" start to grow exponentially - this certainly implies the energy from the speakers is being picked up again and reamplified by the phono cart and pre, causing a dangerous and unattractive "wubba wubba" feedback loop. Woe unto he who step unwittingly into one of these.

There is hope... isolation can help here, as others have mentioned. I ran an experiement with a turntable on my equipment rack, on the floor, and on the floor on top of a soft pillow (ok, my cat's bed - he never uses it, typical cat.) The rack and floor setups both produced dangerous excursion on an affected record. There was some excursion with the on-the-floor-with-soft-pillow combo, but I was able to go from 9-o-clock volume to almost 12-o-clock before the "wubba-wubbas" started to grow exponentially. This was a very major improvement with isolation, and we're *still* only talking about the lead-in track to an LP side. So this really does point to some serious LF information coming off the record warp, and does not make any statement about program content causing this, whether it can or not.

I've isolated my TT (on foam computer wrist rests... nothing fancy), and my speakers are now fully horn-loaded up front, so if any "wubba-wubbas" are present, I can't tell or see them any more.

I've heard "rumble filter" used before as terminology for the filters that remove these "subsonics". In any event, gotta get rid of those wubba-wubbas.

Mike