Speaker Cables, One side longer- bad idea?



How bad is it to have one speaker cable longer than the
other? The lengths would be 10ft and 16ft. Basically
I would like to avoid having to coil up 6 ft of cable
on the short side of the speaker runs.

How bad is this?
How does it affect the sound??

Thanks
Tom
eastside_guy
There won't be an audible (probably not even measurable) difference with the lengths you mention. Marakanetz's comments are correct in theory, but you would only need to worry if the 2 sides were really different. I asked this question of a well-known cable maker/designer (really nice guy) at a show a few years ago and his explanation left me with the conviction that a 1.5 to 1 ratio or less should be fine. OTOH, a dealer I know has done blind tests with 5 and 1 meter runs of a mid-priced high end cable and none of his sophisticated customers have been able to tell a difference in sound.

If someone wants to illustrate the difference with numbers, that might be interesting.
Keep them equal so the cable characteristics are matched electrically and sonically.
Thanks Paulwp,

As you might have guessed, I have my stereo off to
the side with nothing between the speakers. I
need to buy new cables and decided I didn't like
the looks of a bunch of loose, extra wire for one
side. In fact, a local dealer that does custom
home installs with Transparent Audio cables
told me that they regulary messure off the length
needed and don't worry about the extra 4-6 feet on
one side.

Tom

Audiogon no longer lets us drop links into a forum so.. I've cut and pasted some interesting reading on the subject:

Equal Length Speaker Cables - Are They Necessary?

"You do know that you must match the length of speaker cables in you system to insure "an equal delay" in all channels?"

Of course, you didn’t know this until just then when the salesperson posed this "rhetorical question". On the surface, this sounds perfectly reasonable. Your power amplifier generates a set of signals that are sent to your speakers (to the right main, to the left main, to the center, to the right surround, to the left surround, to the subwoofers, etc.). This set of signals have been created in such a way to be synchronized with each other – in engineering terms, they are "in-phase" with each other. Therefore, it seems perfectly reasonable to maintain this "in-phase condition" by keeping all cables the same length. Unfortunately, this means that you will have to use the same length cable to the speaker setting right next to your equipment rack (less than 10 ft. away) as you use to the speaker setting in the back of the room (greater than 60 ft. away). As this realization takes hold, you look up at the salesperson and see this smile come cross his face – he’s "got you". You are about to spend 3 to 5 times more that you had anticipated (or budgeted) for speaker cables to compensate for the "DREADED PHASE DELAY". Even if you are an electrical engineer, you probably won’t take the time to think through the "sales pitch" you’ve just been given – it sounds so logical on the surface.

When Einstein first conceived the theory of relativity and before he attempted to codify everything with mathematics, he performed a set of "thought experiments" that helped him visualize the concept that would totally revolutionize our view of physics in the 20th century. I’m no "Einstein" and what I’m attempting to explain is not the "general theory or relativity", but I do find that using "thought experiments" are extremely useful in making complex subjects a bit more understandable. I’d like to use this approach to dispel the concept that speaker cables need to be cut to the same length to prevent audible phase delays in a HT system.

Let’s assume that you have a stereo audio system with a speaker attached to the left channel and a speaker attached to the right channel. Let’s assume that the cable between the amplifier and the left speaker is 10 ft. long; let’s assume that the cable between the amplifier and the right speaker is 60 ft. long. You are seated at a position that is equal distance from each speaker. One speaker (the left speaker) receives its signal approximately 50 ns (nanoseconds) before the right speaker. This is because the signal to the right speaker must travel through an additional 50 feet of cable (i.e., 60 ft. – 10 ft.). A good "rule of thumb" is that an electrical signal takes approximately 1ns to travel 1 ft. through a cable. According to the salesperson we met back in paragraph 2, your system has a severe phase delay problem because of this 50 ns difference between the left and right channels. With this as our premise, let’s examine our ability as a listener to detect this unbalanced condition. I will attempt to do this through three thought experiments.

In posts below:
Thought Experiment #1:
Let us assume that the sound reaching your ears from the two sources (the left channel and the right channel) is indeed out of phase by 50 ns; can the audio sensory system of a human detect this difference? Fifty nanoseconds is a very short period of time - 0.000000050 seconds. Your audio sensory system is a chemical based relay that converts the movement of your eardrum into a chemical change that eventually triggers electrical impulses to the brain. Although the brain in an extremely powerful relational computer, it is very slow compared to even the simplest desktop personal computer. Even the best human hearing is limited to an upper frequency response of 20 to 22 kHz. This corresponds to a signal with a duration (i.e., period) of .00045 seconds or 1000 times longer than the 50ns phase difference generated by the cable delay in our hypothetical system. If you were able to detect this 50 ns phase difference, your upper hearing limit would be somewhere between 20 and 22 MHz. If this were the case, you could receive most of the world’s short wave radio broadcasts directly without having to resort to a radio receiver. You will not find any physiologists that will testify that human hearing is capable of anything approaching this level of differentiation. In other words, the human ear cannot come even close to detecting a 50 ns phase difference.

Thought Experiment #2:
For the purpose of a second thought experiment, let’s assume the same setup and also assume that the human audio sensory system is capable of differentiating a 50ns phase difference between two sound sources. In our hypothetical example, energy from our amplifier reaches the left speaker 50 ns before energy from the amplifier reaches the right speaker. Therefore, sound from the left speaker should reach our ears 50ns before sound from the right speaker reaches our ears – Right? The answer to this question is almost always, "No". Speakers are electromechanical devices; an electrical current flowing through a coil surrounding a magnet moves a speaker cone to produce a sonic wave. As such these devices exhibit all of the inherent inertia effects of any mechanical system. From the time an electrical signal is applied to the speaker and the time the cone actually begins to move will vary considerable from speaker to speaker. I don’t care how much money you pay for your speakers (i.e., $10,000 each) or how well they are matched from the factory, no two speakers will "come alive" with exactly the same delay. Because of this, you have no guarantee that the right speaker which gets the electrical signal 50 ns late will not actually be the first speaker to start moving a column of air. You go to all of the trouble to cut wires to the same length, and the mechanical inertia associated with each speaker totally negates your careful preparations. In fact, there is a 50/50 chance you will increase the phase difference between speakers by timing the cables (i.e., cutting them to the same length) and make matters even worse.

Thought Experiment #3:
For the purpose of a third thought experiment, let’s assume the same setup, assume that the human audio sensory system is capable of differentiating a 50ns phase difference between two sound sources and that the speakers are perfectly matched and start moving with identical delays. In our hypothetical example, energy from our amplifier reaches the left speaker 50 ns before energy from the amplifier reaches the right speaker. The two speakers "mimic" their respective electrical signals and the left speaker starts moving a column of air 50 ns before the right speaker does the same thing. Therefore, sound from the left speaker should reach our ears 50ns before sound from the right speaker reaches our ears – Right? Again, the answer to this question is almost always, "No". To understand why this is the case, we need to understand something about how sound travels through the air. Sound travels approximately 1100 ft. in one second through the air. This means that a sound wave will travel approximately 0.00066 inches in 50 ns. This distance is equivalent to approximately 1/10th the thickness of a human hair. If you, as the user of our hypothetical sound system, aren’t capable of placing your ears to within 1/10th of the thickness of a human hair ever time you set down to listen, you are introducing far more phase difference that you could ever introduce through unequal lengths of cable. To make this point, let’s assume your ears are always within ½ inch of some nominal location everything you listen to your audio system. This would represent a phase shift that would be equivalent to having one speaker cable 3,156 ft. longer than the other speaker cable.

I don’t know how many of you have reached this point without going to sleep. But, for those of you that have, I think you’ll see the absurdity of the "equal speaker cable length" argument as it pertains to phase delay. Anyone of the above thought experiments, by itself, is sufficient to negate the "equal speaker cable length" argument. A better argument for maintaining cable lengths that are similar might be to achieve consistent damping factors between speakers. This is not to say that there aren’t places where attempting to match cable lengths is not important. If you were building a s-video cable or a set of component video cables from RG-6 cable, matching cable length becomes more critical because of the high frequency (i.e., short period) nature of these signals. Therefore, the next time a salesperson attempts to sell you more speaker cable with the "equal speaker cable length" argument, you can simply smile and say, "Thanks for this excellent piece of advice, but I think I can spend my HT budget elsewhere and get infinitely more bang for the buck."