Who will survive? One last table til I die.


I want to buy a final turntable (call it 25 years worth of use until I can't hear or don't care). I want to be able to get parts and have it repaired for the next quarter century. I would also like the sound quality to be near the top or upgradable to near the top for that time period. I don't necessarily require that the manufacturer be solvent that long (the preferable situation), but otherwise the parts would have to be readily available and the design such that competent independent repair shops be able to fix it. I won't spend more than $10,000 and prefer (but don't require) an easy set up that doesn't need constant tweaking. I'm willing to pay for the proper stand and isolation needed over and above the initial cost.

I've got 9,000 LPs, and it doesn't make sense to start over replacing them with CD/SACDs (although I have decent digital equipment) even if I could find and afford replacements. Presently I have a CAT SL-1 III preamp and JL-2 amp, Wilson speakers, Sota Cosmos table, SME IV arm, and Koetsu/Lyra Clavis/AQ7000nsx cartridges.

Thanks in advance for your input. Steve
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Hmmm... Audioholics seems to have somewhat contradicted the information that Thomas J Norton of Stereophile presented in his article about amplifier stability / frequency response into various loads. The Stereophile article ( which i've linked to more than a few times ) shows the differences in frequency response between SS, tubed and hybrid designs when fed into the same loads. After looking at those results, it is quite obvious that a "decent" SS amp will maintain a more consistent amplitude linearity over a wider bandwidth than a "typical" tube based amp ( if there is such a thing ). Before making any further comments though, i need to read the entire Audioholics article and study their test procedures and results, not just look at an excerpt.

Thanks to Twl for bringing this to our attention. Sean
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Here's a link to the entire article.
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/amplifiers/dampingfactor.php

I copied the entire 2nd page in my previous post, which related to the issue we were discussing.

However, on the first page there is more info regarding the misconceptions of large amounts of overhang or time-delay that has commonly been attributed to tube amplifiers, and found to be not true by these measured results from Audioholics.
To me, the key here is not whether there may be some slight affects to the amplifer based on speaker reactances, but whether these small effects could even be actually audible, given wider range tolerances in many other parts of the sytem context.

As Audioholics points out, even normal changes in temp, humidity, and barometric pressure in the room makes more of a difference than some of these issues.

Additionally, practically no speaker made is going to have an "in-room" response of within 1db, so all of this brouhaha is virtually immaterial anyway. This output impedance/speaker reactance parameter is nowhere near to defining the outer envelope of system frequency response +/- tolerances in anyone's system. If we want to improve overall system frequency response, we can look elsewhere for the culprit.

If we want to really look for the differences in sound between tube amps and solid state amps, I think it is in the tone. The even-order harmonic distortion profile of certain tube amps(SET) have this profile when playing, not just when clipping. SS amps with wide-rangeing odd-order harmonic distortion profile have this profile when playing, and not just when clipping, too. Since odd-order harmonic distortions are not found in natural musical presentations, even very small amounts can be detected by the ear, and found to be an unconvincing reproduction. There may be other factors too, but I think that this is at the basis of it. Simply my opinion.

Before we jump on the bandwagon about this, is should be noted that push-pull tube amps are also rife with odd-order harmonic distortion, and so are multi-driver loudspeakers with crossovers. So it may not be(is not) just the amp that is causing this in most systems.

I find it interesting that some people want to focus in on a single parameter to back-up their prejudices about tube amps, when it is entirely possible, and even probable that inherent odd-order distortions in transistor amps/multi-driver speakers may be causing far worse sonic problems to real music listening, and they don't even know it. In fact, I find it rather humorous that as they chase a "spec" or "measurement" around, the sonic realism that is provided by a device that "specs worse", and therefore is "not acceptable", could actually be the very thing that they need to give them the convincing musical reproduction that they seek.

Sometimes I just have to wonder.
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...a device that specs worse...
I agree. Esepcially considering how the relevant spec is measured: sine waves.
Hardly conclusive regarding complex signals like music!
I still haven't had a chance to read the articles, but i just want to ask you folks one question. That is, where do you think the technology came from in order to start mass producing solid state devices? I'll give you a hint. They probably didn't find tubes in the inter-galactic time travelling devices at Roswell : ) Sean
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