Who will survive? One last table til I die.


I want to buy a final turntable (call it 25 years worth of use until I can't hear or don't care). I want to be able to get parts and have it repaired for the next quarter century. I would also like the sound quality to be near the top or upgradable to near the top for that time period. I don't necessarily require that the manufacturer be solvent that long (the preferable situation), but otherwise the parts would have to be readily available and the design such that competent independent repair shops be able to fix it. I won't spend more than $10,000 and prefer (but don't require) an easy set up that doesn't need constant tweaking. I'm willing to pay for the proper stand and isolation needed over and above the initial cost.

I've got 9,000 LPs, and it doesn't make sense to start over replacing them with CD/SACDs (although I have decent digital equipment) even if I could find and afford replacements. Presently I have a CAT SL-1 III preamp and JL-2 amp, Wilson speakers, Sota Cosmos table, SME IV arm, and Koetsu/Lyra Clavis/AQ7000nsx cartridges.

Thanks in advance for your input. Steve
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Raul, I would refer you to the David Berning website, in the White Papers section, where amplifier transfer characteristics are discussed.

You may know that the "load line" of a given amplification device in an amplifier defines how it responds to the loads presented to it by the speaker(load) and how well it will control it directly and without feedback.

In my Berning amplifier, the load line is about 1.8 ohms, and it operates with no feedback, and is globally DC stabilized(something you seemed to think could only be in SS amps, and not be achieved with tube circuits, but is a feature of the David Berning ZOTL circuit). However, by using the much larger "effective turns ratio" that is provided by the unique ZOTL impedance conversion circuit, much more effective control of the speaker load by the triode is possible, than would ever be possible using any output transformer or traditional OTL ciruits. In fact, with the load line that is in my amplifier, according to the David Berning "White Paper",

"In an audio application, the tube behaves as if it is driving a 4k ohm speaker (the impedance conversion ratio goes as the square of the turns ratio), and the speaker acts and sounds as if it is being driven by a 0.6 ohm triode."

And this, with the use of ZERO FEEDBACK. The natural load line of the triode is sufficient to produce this, when using the ZOTL impedance converter design. So that all the linear transfer characteristics of the triode are preserved, and full control of the load is realized, while exceeding the capability(and eliminating any of the drawbacks) of any output transformers.

So, as you can see, the use of this design allows both a low output impedance AND zero feedback, and at the same time eliminates all the saturation problems and parasitic capacitances of typical output transformers in audio applications, and still allows the use of a single triode(no parallel tubes like traditional OTL) to control the speaker accurately and in conditions of shifting speaker impedances(within reason), based on its inherent transfer characteristics(load line)in conjunction with the Berning ZOTL impedance converter.

While David does give credence to your concerns about shifting impedances causing frequency response problems in certain amplifiers, it is shown that this amplifier circuit is not adversely affected by the things that you mention, and the load lines in the ZOTL circuit are very close to what would be expected from some MOSFET transistor amplifiers(without feedback). However, the sonic attributes of the triodes are preserved, and gives what might be called "the best of both worlds", as the control and speed are very much like solid state, and the transparency, tone, and harmonic qualities are all tube.

So, here we have a tube amp with a single output triode(per channel), no audio output transformers, no feedback, an effective output impedance of about 0.6 ohms, DC coupled and global DC stabilization, bandwith from 2Hz - 500kHz, high-speed switching power supply, RF-frequency tube heating, noise less than -100db, choke loading, DC powered, auto-biasing, brownout protection, and can even be turned on without any speaker attached without damage(just like a SS amp can), and weighs 5 pounds.

And best of all, it sounds like real music when you use it with a good speaker. It doesn't sound like most tube amps, and it doesn't sound like most SS amps. It sounds like the best of both.

Now, by anybody's numbers, a 1:13 ratio(damping factor 13) of output impedance to speaker impedance is going to be well within 1db(and probably within 0.5db) in frequency response variation over the audio range as long as a nominal 8 ohm speaker is used. Now, if you want to drive Apogee Scintilla's <1 ohm load with it, I'll agree that I cannot do it with this amp effectively. For the speakers that are intended for this amp, it will control them admirably and exhibit a quite flat response, and be musical.

Whew! I'm tired, and had about enough of this.

Regards,
Twl

Suttlaw,
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Raul has found a ghost writer.
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Raul, why is it that you do not list your system or respond to people when they ask you what equipment you are using ?
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TWL: I have in hand the Stereophile review on a Berning EA-2101 amplifier. Here are the output impedance at the 8 Ohms tap: 3 Ohms at 20 Hz and 1 kHz and 4 Ohms at 20 kHz. At the 4 Ohms tap ( 3.55 Ohms ): 1.5 Ohms and 2.1 Ohms , respectively.

Now, with a constant 8 Ohms impedance the deviation response is at 1 db in the high frecuencies and with 4 Ohms 1.5 db. This is with a constant load impedance, it is for sure that with a real speaker impedance the errors will be higher and dramatic changes to our ears.
So, your post don't help to " cure " the uncontrolled equalizer effect.

TWL, as you know no body can change ( till to now ) the physics laws. I agree, like you, that the Berning design is a good one, but is not enough on that subject, it is still short on it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear gregadd: *** " Others can see that Raul conitnues to move the goal post. " ****

Wich's your point ?. What are you trying to say?. That example don't tell the whole history because that amp needs 33 db of global negative feedback that introduce very bad effects and for other way we can't see the Stereophile diagram response on that subject. BTW this amp is in the high level of the " permited " output impedance.

Gregadd be serious and mature. Don't try to deffend what it can't be deffended. Don't try that this serious subject fall in a witch hunting or a words game.

Your link put everything and everyone in the right " place ". What do you want? , you don't have a point till to now. Remember that this is not a contest. Come on Gregadd use your experience intelligence and don't try to find a point where does not exist one.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Raul,
Would you please explain to the group your ability to slip in and out of proper syntax and grammar in your posts?

If you have the ability to put your thoughts out there in a cogent fashion, please do so with every post.

I don't pretend to speak for everyone here, but in my case, I find your pendantic comments to be idiotic when you post as though you were typing in English for the first time in your life.

Further, you take the position of instructor in every thread you invade. Get over yourself, you might actually learn something for the people you delight in talking down to.

I will end my post with a twist on your tag line:
"Shut up and enjoy the music"