Can I start some trouble?

... the quantity of threads like yours over crowding audiogon and you're not starting it It's been already started.

There are cables that worth every penny for the job done and there are cables that are just hide under precious design and suck a buck from your wallet.

Whenever the interconnect cable jumps over $300/m or speaker cable jumps over $100/foot per pair I consider it a ripoff that can sound different but not any better.

On the other side in most cases whenever you wish to downgrade your cables from $300/m to $50/m and than on the saved buck to upgrade a source you will win.

As a mathematician and engineer I can work on designing quantums of improvement that can bring any upgrade. I want to design totally relative physical measure which is points per buck :)

For real it's very simple: for every buck you spend to upgrade your source you get 60 "points" and with the cables you get only 15.

Marakanetz...Couldn't we just break it down to the lowest common denominator with your "point" system and call it 4 points for source and 1 point for cables.

Just asking...I'm no "mathematician", but I did study fractions in 4th grade. :)

All in good fun.

what if I say that if you upgrade your power-amp will be 43 points/buck?:)

Not sure what that means, nor how many "points" are on your scale, but if I understand correctly, I'd just round up to 3. (2.866)

Not to detract from this particular thread, but now I'm interested in understanding the point system that you've developed, Marakanetz. Would you mind telling us a bit more about it?

Thanks,

Dan

Dan, I've got just an idea about "sampling" of relative improvements that could be possible to make to upgrade meaning statistics. As it figures out it has a quite large finite number of variables to consider for the proper and precise definition. The numbers given are just a dummy-like demo example that needs to be worked out with different measuring devices(not only ears) to prove and to define a sampling scale. The common denominator can be found only if you capture ALL variables and than adjust a proper relative value after everything is done. In today's technology I will probably have to capture every variable into the database and do the computer processing according to the market prices that can be grouped onto the different classes of performance.

Another scientific experiment that I've done so far was to test the phase and freequency responces of low-priced and sky-rocketing priced audio cables as well as ability to accept induced currents from the near-by output transformers and AC outlets to make for myself a number of conclusions about today's high end market and one of them is very similar as Sugar pointed out. Lots of rich folks would say that there is no point using AudioQuest Midnight speaker cable with JM Lab Utopia speakers -- it has to be at least Nirvana or Nordost Valhalla.

To my thorough research of wiring in general(I won't argue it certainly does make a difference) I've found out that most of VanDenHul cables are genuie, honestly built, not overpriced and suitable for almost any budget audiofile system. They're not cheap(to me still) that's why I was ordering only kits and terminated them all myself, but the job they do with them is increadible and you know always what you're paing for.