Modified equipment...


I want feedback on buying/selling modified equipment. Do think mods devalue gear or add value in some cases? Don't you think you're better off leaving a piece of gear stock as it came from the factory and just upgrading to a better component altogether??
puroagave
I think it really depends on the gear. A mod on an inexpensive digital piece is different than a mod on a piece of classic gear say an amplifier or pre-amp.

For classic gear, folks are looking for stock, unmodified unless performed by the manufacturer. There are too many uncertainties related to mods. Unless you are doing it for yourself, don't do it and/or expect to get market value when reselling, it WON'T happen.
i find it interesting that even factory mods can diminish the perceived value of a component. for instance, when i was selling my 508.24, people were adamant about wanting an "original" 508.24 (which mine was), and not a 508.20 that had been upgraded by meridian. although an "upgraded" 508.24 is functionally identical to an "orignal 508.24, the upgraded unit would fetch a lower price for some mysterious reason. but whatever.
It's funny how these topics very so much from group to group. This forum is based at secondary retail site and maybe folks just think that way. You go some places and mods are just taken for granted, every one mods and it's almost just taken for granted. I don't know - if you want sound - and you know a qualified person, it's a no brainer if you ask me. Granted, I do not hang with folks spending 50k for their systems, but quite a few sound like they do.
You're right Clueless. It is very site dependent. First, mods are performed with the intent of increasing the enjoyment (read performance) from a particular piece of equipment. Rarely is thought given to "resale" because the hope is that the improvement will allow the component to stay in the system longer before a complete change is desired.

True, the cost of the mod parts and labor are rarely recouped, but that is secondary to the desire of improved performance. Certainly, the qualifications of the individual performing the mod is worthy of consideration, but I find it rather amazing that people seem to be under the delusion that a factory mod is performed by the designer himself. Rarely is that the case.

Not to diminish any of the accomplishments of any one audio designer, but very few have created anything "new" in terms of audio design. Most have improved previously existing circuits through better components or novel approaches, and improved marketing. Sorry, folks, but they're not gods.

For a retailer having to deal with customers that have no knowledge of electronics, I can understand the business decision to avoiding handling modified gear. Most of the dealers aren't EE, so they can't explain the mods or their intended improvement, and few customers have the luxury to really listen to stock versus modified equipment before purchasing. The same is true for many of the hobbyists at this site. This is unfortunate.

However, modified gear can be one of the best bargains on the used market. The buyer should expect improved (usually much more expensive) parts for which the manufacturer would have to charge 4 or 5 times the cost. Yes, manufacturers are concerned about getting a "sound" from their gear, but first and foremost they are in business to make a profit. Almost all products are designed to a price point, so the cost and availability of individual components is very critical. Rarely is the "best possible" component used as opposed to the "best possible component at a price". To improve profitability, the cost of the components and/or labor to assemble must go down, or the retail price goes up. This usually necessitates a "new and improved" model to justify the price increase, and the circle begins again.

There is an advantage for the industry to keep audio rather mysterious so that we must all worship at the alter of our favorite designer/manufacturer. For those who wish to follow, I hope you have the money to support the mark up (x4 or x5) for the "mods" (again, mods at a price point) that your favorite designer has incorporated into his/her latest new product which you will likely pay big bucks to acquire.

I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with my diatribe, but audio mods can be very worthwhile for all current and future owners of the gear. Get all the info you can on the mods and the qualifications/background of the installer. Then, if you determine that the mods were of quality and of value, go for it. You just may have purchased the next generation (or beyond) of your favorite manufacturer at a fraction of the cost of that "totally new" model which by the way, just went up in price by 20%.

Enjoy the music.
Jctubes I couldn't agree more with your post. The point is regardless of performance improvements most folks DON'T want a modified component performed by anyone other than the manufacturer. I have a pair of MC-60's that have been extensively modified over the years by a guy that really knew what he was doing and had extensive experience with this product, he owned a pair for 30 years. They are dramatically better than the stock version that is for sure. But a while back when I tried to sell them, when prospective buyers found out they had been modified they weren't interested.

Does this invalidate my decision to mod them in the first place and would I do it again? No and indeed I would for the pleasure derived from the improvements. You certainly hit on all the important points both pro and con.