Cable vs. Electronics: biggest bang for the buck


I recently chronicled in a review here, my experience with a very expensive interconnect. The cables cost nearly $7000 and are well beyond my reach. The issue is, the Pursit Dominus sound fantastic. Nothing in my stereo has ever sounded so good. I have been wondering during and since the review how much I would have to spend to get the same level of improvement. I'm sure I could double the value of my amp or switch to monoblocks of my own amps and not obtain this level of improvement.
So, in your opinion what is the better value, assuming the relative value of your componants being about equal? Is it cheaper to buy, great cables or great electronics? Then, which would provide the biggest improvement?
nrchy
Bwhite said:
On the lower end - lower rez cables will make harsh sounding systems sound better - easier on the ears - and high rez cables make muddy systems sound more transparent.

I would say the high rez cables I have heard in lower end systems created an illusion of transparency. I think that it's because they have wider bandwidth, the highs and lows they create make them sound more see-through.

Bwhite said:
On the highest end - when a synergy has been formed - lean toward the most neutral cable for the system. Its impossible to fine a 100% purely neutral cable and unlikely to hear a 100% purely neutral component. At this level, one really wants to listen to the music and not the cables or components. Given that the quality of sound reproduced by such components is typically superior but not absolutely perfect, it becomes a delicate balancing act to add the RIGHT cable into the mix which has the most neutral presentation possible without leaning the wrong direction.

Speaking of adding the RIGHT cable into the mix in a high-end system, please tell us why you didn't like the VD cables in your system. Did you try their top of the line Nite cable? Finally, what components were you using while trying them?

Bwhite:
Even at this level (20 or 22) its possible to be too sterile or too rich with the components. At this level, high-rez is just as bad as low-rez.

That's what I thought you meant. For whatever reason, I was lucky the VD cables locked into my system without my going bust.
Audioengr, if you listen to .wav files how much further could you still lower your standards? I have sacd and find it to be disappointing compared to analog. The sound doesn't compare. All the rest of those formats are dramatically poorer, so why bother?
Hshpiro - regarding the VD cables. Long story. In order to explain I have to first say that I tried countless cables in my system before settling on Audio Note Kondo KSL-LP (which is the newer doubled version of the old Kondo AN-Vz between my source and my preamp), NBS Statement between my preamp and amp and Audio Note Kondo KSL for my speakers. Given that my speakers are tri-wire, its a royal pain in the rear to get the perfect cable in there. I went with countless brands - using jumpers between the three sets of posts - and even at one time went to the extent of using three different brands at the same time - Cardas Golden Cross for the bass driver, Kimber Select 3035 for the mids and Audioquest Sterling for the highs. While this was certainly interesting, since each of those cables exhibit rather strong qualities in the areas I placed them... it was damn expensive to keep three "top of the line" cables laying on the floor scaring my wife - The expense was in my relationship more so than the dollars spent. :) It sounded okay but didn't have the greatest coherence. Guess it was like an allstar team - individuals who perform well on their own but lack the team work required to really make a smash.

Ultimately, upon the advice of a reviewer for Ultimate Audio Magazine I tried a set of Audio Note Kondo KSL speaker cables and they were good. While they didn't knock you over with their sound, they were crystal clear - pristine - with no nasties - and didn't seem to compress the sound at all.

So given that the speaker cables were a pain in the rear, I "settled" for the Audio Notes and never looked back. While they do have a certain sonic signature, it is difficult to identify, making them rather neutral and a good cable to work with.

I got the VD cables when I read the "buzz" - I had my system right where I wanted it but felt like playing around and checking out the new guy on the block. I purchased a pair of the VD Signature interconnects used. At about the same time, Joe at JC Audio actually loaned me what was once the top of the line Signature VD power cord as well as a low end VD cord.

With the VD cables in my system, the first thing I noticed was the added "sledge hammer" bass and a "gimmicky" sound quality. I had worked very hard to make my system as organic as I could with the cables I owned (and NOS tubes I selected) but for whatever reason the VD and the NBS didn't mesh well together. It brought on a harshness to the sound so I pulled out the NBS and inserted the Kondo and the sound was more livable but still not right. I felt that the harmonics were inaccurate in my system and the bass was overloaded. The highs were shimmery & like a school of fish I could never predict where they were going next. It was a bit more coherent in that setup but certainly not an improvement over where I was before VD.

Even though my experience with the VD cables wasn't all that spectacular, I cannot say its a bad cable. In fact, they have qualities which would be pretty good in the right system.

Basically - my goal with my system has been to produce something I think sounds natural. Real. With a pace as close to the smoooothness of good analog. Subtle and delicate with finesse. Relaxing and comforting. Soothing and persistently Dreamy - yet still able to kick ass when the time was right...While I only spent 72 hours with the VD in my home and even less time listening to them, I heard the VD as a pretty dynamic cable which was more ready to kick ass than it was to give me a kiss on the cheek...but I must say, in a nice way of course, that problems I found in the cables were more in regard to my preferences & system than to the cables themselves.

I sent the Signature power cord back to JC Audio and sold the interconnects three days later. But.. I kept the low end cable and ripped it open to find out what Rick does inside there to make them tick.

Another thing I didn't mention is that the VD power cords replaced a pair of more refined yet anything but transparent Shunyata King Cobra V1 power cord and an ElectraGlide FatMan K. The Shunyata ads a surreal quality to the digital front end and the Electraglide adds a vividness to the texture and a smooth seamless intensity to the dynamics. Whether or not the VD's were broken in, I do not know but they certainly lacked the refinement of these two cables.

Anyhow...its getting late so gotta shut this one down.

With the VD cables in my system, my system became someone elses system - the sound might have been right for someone else, it just wasn't right for me.
Nrchy - I am surprised that you find SACD dissappointing. I have had reviewers say that "SACD is superfluous" when using my cables. CD's are good enough. With my system, I would have to agree. CD's are spectacular, particularly with my latest cable incarnations.

Also an interesting write-up from Marty of Bound for Sound in the last issue about SACD. He considers SACD "Better" than the original recording, because of "added effects", when compared to the same recording on tape, vinyl and CD. I am in no particular hurry to get SACD.
I find SACDs and especially CDs disappointing in comparision to vinyl. I have a $3500 SACD player and when I do direct comparisions with music I have on both formats the SACD falls short. CDs are fine for having something on to listen to while you're vacuuming or working around the house, but they sound so small and compressed that for actual listening they are practically unlistenable. The only time I will buy and listen to something on CD is when I want something by a particular artist but it is not available on a better medium.
For him who has ears to hear... I can sit and listen to SACDs for a longer period of time than I could CDs. Their sound is much more "real" or live sounding where redbook CDs sound too artificial. I bought the Sony SCD777 ES because I got a real good deal and for what I paid I'm not disappointed pricewise but my Sota/Rega/Benz combination sound more like live music.
I don't know what your cables are but I use Purist, Kimber KCTG and Cardas and have been happy with them. I still con't understand how cables could overcome all the design flaws of CD though. It is a bad design that has been tweaked about as much as is possible in the last twenty years so it is almost comparable with poor to moderate quality turntable now, but it will never be capable of producing what a good turntable/arm/cartrtidge can.
I'm not trying to be dogmatic but I wonder how this question is still debated. My brother-in-law Greg has a friend who is an electrical engineer who questioned the accuracy of his staements about TT vs CD so Greg had him listen to his system and then brought him to my house. The engineer was shocked to hear the quality difference. He came in convinced digital sound was better and went home muttering under his breath something about buying a turntable. This is a guy who designs and builds his own equipment for fun not some neophite who knows nothing about musical reproduction.
For him who has ears to hear...