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Well Tempered or Teres .....

After much deliberation, I have narrowed my choices down to either the Well Tempered Classic (used, round motor) or the Teres.

My preferences for my new table are a black background as silent as possible, and dynamics along with musicality.

My thoughts on arms for the Teres --- well Just like eating an elephant, one bite at a time, but maybe ET2 or Clearaudio Unify, but I will probably start with a modded Rega 250 in order to put some monies into the 300B amp fund.

I listen to a variety of music: Blues, Classic Rock, Alternative, Female vocals, piano. (not in any particular order.)

As Far as the Teres models, I am leaning toward the Teres with the cocobolo base, because I know that if I went with the acrylic base I would always kick myself for not waiting for the Cocobolo model.

So.....

Input is appreciated as to thoughts between the WT & the Teres cocobolo base table,and of course the facts and reasons behind those thoughts.

Just for kicks, how about the same question regarding the acrylic base Teres and the WT.

Thanks for the input.

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focusedfx OP
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Jphii,

Thank you for your input, I have followed the documentation of your build process and want to take a moment to say thank you for providing what must have been a very exciting process-- not to mention the end result!

You ask about budget, For the table itself, if it takes a little longer for me to put together what is required for the Teres Cocobolo table so be it.

As far as budget for cartridges- I am presently using a Dynavector 10x4, (I like the way it handles surface noise, or the relative lack thereof), but the Shelter 501 or 901 are really on my mind.

More than likely I will visit the Denon DL103 in one of its various flavours until I get the 300b dream dialed in.

Once again, I really prefer a black background, dynamics etc (Alnico Klipschorns are one of my more listened to pairs of speakers right now)

Of course when the audio upgrade bug bites, it does so without hesitation, or regard for much other than self gratification :) so....

Happy listening
jphii
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I use a 103r and really like it with the K&K step up. Since any Shelter requires a step up too, you can save about $550 by using the 103r, more with a 103.

I'd go with a cocobolo 245, RB250, K&K, and Denon to start. You will be amazed! Remember, I have the non lead loaded platter. That saves about $1225 over a 265. In my case, I wanted to do my own platters to see what I can come up with.

You are looking at about $2800 for a 245, $250 for the K$K, $241 for the 103r, and probably $300 for an arm. So, for about $3600 you are looking at a setup that IMHO NO Well Tempered will touch. At least the one I listened to isn't even close.

Using my Audio Note Soro SE Phono is almost dead quiet. I'm having a bit of frustration with my ic's between the K&K and the Soro, but when I get that figured out it should be absolutely black. I retubed everything in the amp, and that took the phono stage to NO NOISE when the ic's aren't connected.

What's the rest of your system?

I also took some more pics of the new armboard that will be going up today.
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focusedfx OP
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Hi Jphii,

Your recommendations are certainly in line with my thinking, the cocobolo 245 and the RB250 is what I am leaning toward as my initial new table and arm. Since I find my system a work in progress the arm, and cart choice will be always subject to a change in time. (the Denon sounds lke a great idea too!

My system consists of:

Dynavector 10x4
Teksonor turntable (Italian table with a plinth made of a solid block of olive wood.)
Marantz 150 tuner
Nakamichi RX202
Threshold SL10 Pre (I like this pre, build quality second to none, and extremely quiet with a great phono stage.)
Bottlehead Paramours, upgraded
Klipsch Heresy
Klipschorns
Ess AMT1
Stax Earspeakers

And also a mint GAS Son of Ampzilla that I sometimes listen to.

At this point,my Khorns are the only thing that is destined to stay for a long, long time.

look forward to your addititions to your Teres Site!

Happy Listening,

Richard
dougdeacon
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Richard,

I have never heard a WT so I can't comment on them. I can say that if you want black backgrounds and powerful dynamics, a Teres will supply them in spades, especially with the cocobolo base.

Do a search for cocobolo + acrylic + Teres and you'll probably turn up the post by Twl where he compared the two directly in his system. For him, the cocobolo won hands down. Night and day, etc. etc.

For tonearms, again with the goal being maximum dynamics, I'd stick with a gimball based design. Few unipivots will stabilize a cartridge as well, and a stable cartridge body is essential for allowing maximum cantilever acceleration and extension. That's what creates dynamics. My Shelter 901 on an appropriate arm is dynamic as hell. I wouldn't put either Shelter on a Unify.

Enjoy the hunt!
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focusedfx OP
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Thanks Doug,

Interesting point with regard to the Gimball based design arms and dynamics, now that I think about it, it does make a lot of sense.

In my heart of hearts I really do feel that the Teres Cocobolo is becoming more of a reality day by day. (Now I just need to take the plunge.)

Richard
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