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Well Tempered or Teres .....

After much deliberation, I have narrowed my choices down to either the Well Tempered Classic (used, round motor) or the Teres.

My preferences for my new table are a black background as silent as possible, and dynamics along with musicality.

My thoughts on arms for the Teres --- well Just like eating an elephant, one bite at a time, but maybe ET2 or Clearaudio Unify, but I will probably start with a modded Rega 250 in order to put some monies into the 300B amp fund.

I listen to a variety of music: Blues, Classic Rock, Alternative, Female vocals, piano. (not in any particular order.)

As Far as the Teres models, I am leaning toward the Teres with the cocobolo base, because I know that if I went with the acrylic base I would always kick myself for not waiting for the Cocobolo model.

So.....

Input is appreciated as to thoughts between the WT & the Teres cocobolo base table,and of course the facts and reasons behind those thoughts.

Just for kicks, how about the same question regarding the acrylic base Teres and the WT.

Thanks for the input.

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cmk
397 posts
 
Doug
Nice writeup on arm differences. If you like the Schroeder sound, or lack thereof, but don't like the price, I'm with Topoxforddoc and highly recommend the model 2. For a little more than your OL, you'll get most of the way there.

I've had the arm for a good 6 months now, and it doesn't have the inner groove distortion which most gimbal arms have. As to dynamics, with the carbon fibre armwand, it is super fast.

Happy spinning.
dougdeacon
3,338 posts
 
Cmk,
Thanks for the tip. We're taking a close look at all Frank's models. It was indeed the lack of any sound attributable to the arm that was so stunning.

Interesting comment about gimballed arms being more susceptible to inner groove problems. I'd love to hear more, whether experiences or theories, about why you think so. (I'm not challenging, just curious.) Is it based on your experiences with several gimballed arms? Theory about bearing chatter? Or...?

As I mentioned above, we've had inner groove problems since our ears got smart enough to recognize them. We also have a bit of coloration across the record, more at some frequencies than others. Resonances are the obvious culprit, and I suppose bearing chatter excited by resonances could make a gimbal design more vulnerable. Am I getting close?
cello
645 posts
 
Dennis,
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Look into the Loricraft cleaning machine - It costs a ton, but is well worth the price and then some -
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You will never regret getting it and you can save a bit on the ear plugs you would need with either of the VPI machines.
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rauliruegas
13,084 posts
 
Dear Cmk: Can you be more specific on the gimbal tonearms inner groove distortion?
It will be interesting to know wich gimbal tonearms and with wich cartridges they were mated.
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
cmk
397 posts
 
Doug
I don't have extensive experience with gimbal arms, but my experience parallels yours. I used the Kuzma Stogi Reference prior to the Schroeder. A well made gimball arm, very tight tolerances, ABEC 7 bearings(same as SME). Same cart - Dyna TK. Try as I as might, with spot on alinement, I just couldn't get rid of the inner groove distortion. Actually it was thanks to you guys that I started listening for it. I only experienced it on certain LPs, but after knowing what it was, it was an irritation [urgh].

I reckon it is a combination of factors which lead to this inner groove problem, (1) bearing chatter, (2) tracking error, and (3) imperfect/worn LP cutting.

For your problem about coloration across the record, I suggest the use of the Mystic Mat from Living Voice. 4yanx tried it too and I basically agree with his findings. It reduces unwanted resonances.
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