What LPs do you use for VTA adjustment


Hi. I'm a newbie to this forum, and also to VTA adjustment. Been making GROSS changes to my system over the past couple of weeks, which has resulted in my getting an SME V arm to replace the RB300 on my Voyd Valdi TT, at least for now. Now for the first time, I have an arm with adjustments.

My system was optimised to my budget in the mid 80s, during my TAN (The Audiophile Network - any members here?) days: Voyd TT, British/Musical Fidelity MVT preamp, 4 MA-50 poweramps (mono 50w Class A), Rogers Studio 1a speakers vertically bi-amped, Kimber PBJ and 4TC. My current cartridge is an original Vdh MC10. The only things that have changed over the years have been cartridges and CD players.

Been playing with the HFNRR test record for tracking and anti skating adjustments. Trying to figure out what all the fuss is about VTA. The 3 records I've tried so far are Ella & Louis "Together Again" MSFL Mono, Patricia Barber "Modern Cool" MSFL, and Air "Walkie Talkie". Other than making the cartridge mistrack when the rear of the arm got too low, I'm not sure if I've honed in on the sound changes. I'm probably being overwhelmed by how good it sounds relative to the RB300, especially in the bass.

Am i right in saying its not just VTA, but a combo of VTA and VTF that needs to be adjusted? When the rear of the arm is low, more weight makes it track again.

Can you guys/gals (if any here) recommend records and tracks that YOU use for VTA setup, and what you listen for.

Right now, with the stylus in the leadout groove, using the SME V ruler to the center line on the arm, front of the arm is at the trackout groove is 1cm above the LP, rear of the arm just after the leadin groove is 0.9cm - so rear is appx 1mm lower. Anyone have or remember what setting they use on the VdH MC10? VTF at 1.8 gms.

Any volunteers in Stamford, CT that want to lend me their ears?

Thanks, Samir.
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Dear Doug: As you know I'm a newcomer to this forum. In this time my perception is that you always give an answer " because you have to give an answer and argue about ". I explain this issue: you told us that " only takes 30 seconds for do a change an do a correct adjust to the VTA ", I wonder how in this 30 seconds anybody can do it. I gave to Samir two ways to adjust the VTA/SRA: by ear and " invert the polarity ...", these is the issue for Samir and I think that these elements can help him to do it and I urge him to enjoy the music and your answer is " that this adjust has to do in each record . This is what you are doing." I think that Samir, before doing this, have severals ways to improve the quality of him sound reproduction, but this is other history. Another exmaple: the stepup transformer issue (remember ? ): you put some answers defending the use of the stepup transformer because you use it, you never said " OK. I will try a preamp with a built in high gain phono stage and we will see what happen ". I think that the only way to learn ( all of us ) is having an " open mind ". I respet your ideas but I think that you need to change your attitude. BTW, in one of your answer to me you write: " I would never quarrel with your experiences ( wich exeed mine )...", I refer to this because like in the step up transformer I already live the experience, too, with the adjust in VTA/SRA, and like always I want that the people enjoy the music in an easy manner with top quality. At one time I was an audophile, like you, now I'm a music lover ( I always been a music lover ) at my home. I already pass for everything trying to find the best music reproduction. Now, I'm worried about to have the time to enjoy the music.
BTW, like Samir, you have severals paths for to have a better sound reproduction at your home, invest your time on it and share with all us your findings. That is what I'm trying to do.
God luck.
Raul.
As you yourself attest, Raul, you are a newcomer to this forum. As such, I think you are being a bit too sensitive and critical of Doug's responses. After you are here for a spell, I think you will come to appreciate that statement. He, like many others here, are hoping that readers will benefit from the sharing of HIS experiences, which is what I think he has done. Just because it doesn't match your experience doesn't mean he thinks you're wrong (recognizing that Doug can speak for himself). At the same time, you have given some sound advice which people have also read and can take or leave at their choosing.

As for adjusting VTA within 30 seconds, and assuming you have it close to begin with, how can that NOT be done? With someone sitting in the sweet spot and someone adjusting VTA on the fly, obvious changes are quickly determined. OK, maybe it would take a few such adjustments to agree on the exact spot, but you get the idea.

I would agree with your thesis on MC stages to a point. That point depends on the quality of equipment. Maybe, all things equal, your point is correct. However, from my EXPERIENCE, I have heard MC phono stages with external step-ups and internal step-ups that have sounded superior to contained MC phono stages. So, any kind of blanket statement in that respect is likely unfair.

Cheers to the music. On that I hope we can all agree!

I will give your VTA using inverted phase and mono linestage setting a go and report back!
Hi 4yanx: I really appreciate your answer. Thank's God, Doug don't match my experience, if this it happen then we don't have anything to talk about it.
My point is that, till now, Doug never open the window " to see what happen out side his home ". This is what I can see on my forum time. The stepup transformer was a transparent case on it, he write one and again defending what he has at home never told anything different on his position. He close the door. That's the point.
Anyway, TKS again for your answer and remember always enjoy the music.
Raul.
Raul,
Samir asked for ideas about VTA/VTF. I provided mine and you agreed with me (on 5/17). All was well.

Then you suggested choosing 3 or 4 predetermined arm height settings in order to relax and enjoy the music. I agreed that would be acceptable for many. No problem.

Then you said, "The industry standard for cutting head VTA is 20 degrees". This was a factual-sounding, all-encompassing statement that is demonstrably untrue. On that other thread, you stated that high gain stages are always and necessarily superior to transformers. This also was an overstatement, as I pointed out there and as '4yanx' has just pointed out again, using much the same arguments.

From my POV what needs to happen is that you need to temper your inclination to make absolute statements that purport to encompass the entire body of knowledge about a subject. Strange as it seems, neither you nor I know everything. ;) I try hard not to give the impression that anything I post is the whole and only truth. If you'll try to stop making such absolute statements, I'll try to stop correcting them.

And I love broadening my horizons, as many of my A'gon friends know. I still wish you'd post your system(s). That would give us all a better perspective on your experience.

Samir,
Once again, I find myself apologizing to a thread starter for responding to Rauliruegas' somewhat personal style of discourse. Hopefully we can do better at staying on topic.

Regards to all,
Doug
Doug: I think that you don't understand my point of view,that I already explain to you and to our friend 4yanx,
the issue is not if you are correcting what I say ( there is no problem with it. You have the rights for doing that. ) the issue is that ( my impression ) you are a close door. That's it.
Like our friend 4yanx ( btw, wich is your name ) told us, about the stepup transformer, " all things equal ....", why don't try about my absolute statement and " we will see what happen ".
Regards.
Raul.