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What LPs do you use for VTA adjustment

Hi. I'm a newbie to this forum, and also to VTA adjustment. Been making GROSS changes to my system over the past couple of weeks, which has resulted in my getting an SME V arm to replace the RB300 on my Voyd Valdi TT, at least for now. Now for the first time, I have an arm with adjustments.

My system was optimised to my budget in the mid 80s, during my TAN (The Audiophile Network - any members here?) days: Voyd TT, British/Musical Fidelity MVT preamp, 4 MA-50 poweramps (mono 50w Class A), Rogers Studio 1a speakers vertically bi-amped, Kimber PBJ and 4TC. My current cartridge is an original Vdh MC10. The only things that have changed over the years have been cartridges and CD players.

Been playing with the HFNRR test record for tracking and anti skating adjustments. Trying to figure out what all the fuss is about VTA. The 3 records I've tried so far are Ella & Louis "Together Again" MSFL Mono, Patricia Barber "Modern Cool" MSFL, and Air "Walkie Talkie". Other than making the cartridge mistrack when the rear of the arm got too low, I'm not sure if I've honed in on the sound changes. I'm probably being overwhelmed by how good it sounds relative to the RB300, especially in the bass.

Am i right in saying its not just VTA, but a combo of VTA and VTF that needs to be adjusted? When the rear of the arm is low, more weight makes it track again.

Can you guys/gals (if any here) recommend records and tracks that YOU use for VTA setup, and what you listen for.

Right now, with the stylus in the leadout groove, using the SME V ruler to the center line on the arm, front of the arm is at the trackout groove is 1cm above the LP, rear of the arm just after the leadin groove is 0.9cm - so rear is appx 1mm lower. Anyone have or remember what setting they use on the VdH MC10? VTF at 1.8 gms.

Any volunteers in Stamford, CT that want to lend me their ears?

Thanks, Samir.
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rauliruegas
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Hi 4yanx: I really appreciate your answer. Thank's God, Doug don't match my experience, if this it happen then we don't have anything to talk about it.
My point is that, till now, Doug never open the window " to see what happen out side his home ". This is what I can see on my forum time. The stepup transformer was a transparent case on it, he write one and again defending what he has at home never told anything different on his position. He close the door. That's the point.
Anyway, TKS again for your answer and remember always enjoy the music.
Raul.
dougdeacon
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Raul,
Samir asked for ideas about VTA/VTF. I provided mine and you agreed with me (on 5/17). All was well.

Then you suggested choosing 3 or 4 predetermined arm height settings in order to relax and enjoy the music. I agreed that would be acceptable for many. No problem.

Then you said, "The industry standard for cutting head VTA is 20 degrees". This was a factual-sounding, all-encompassing statement that is demonstrably untrue. On that other thread, you stated that high gain stages are always and necessarily superior to transformers. This also was an overstatement, as I pointed out there and as '4yanx' has just pointed out again, using much the same arguments.

From my POV what needs to happen is that you need to temper your inclination to make absolute statements that purport to encompass the entire body of knowledge about a subject. Strange as it seems, neither you nor I know everything. ;) I try hard not to give the impression that anything I post is the whole and only truth. If you'll try to stop making such absolute statements, I'll try to stop correcting them.

And I love broadening my horizons, as many of my A'gon friends know. I still wish you'd post your system(s). That would give us all a better perspective on your experience.

Samir,
Once again, I find myself apologizing to a thread starter for responding to Rauliruegas' somewhat personal style of discourse. Hopefully we can do better at staying on topic.

Regards to all,
Doug
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rauliruegas
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Doug: I think that you don't understand my point of view,that I already explain to you and to our friend 4yanx,
the issue is not if you are correcting what I say ( there is no problem with it. You have the rights for doing that. ) the issue is that ( my impression ) you are a close door. That's it.
Like our friend 4yanx ( btw, wich is your name ) told us, about the stepup transformer, " all things equal ....", why don't try about my absolute statement and " we will see what happen ".
Regards.
Raul.
dougdeacon
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Raul,
I will not hijack Samir's thread to discuss what you think of me. Other than you and me, who would possibly care?

Feel free to email me if you wish to discuss this further.

Sincerely,
Doug
consttraveler
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Back to the original question; I most often use "In Search of the Lost Chord", Moody Blues, Deram/London, DES 18017.

I bought it in 1969 (?) and after hundreds of playings it is my reference for "tone" adjustments. It is not the greatest for space, air, etc., but the boys had good ears for tone.

The first cut, "Departure", starts with low tones and moves to the highs very smoothly and is a good indicator of if I am close with VTA.

Cut three, "Doctor Livingston, I Presume, has some close vocal harmonies that I find revealing if I am "off."

The remainder of the album varies between passages that are complex (orchestral sound) and simple (single voice, the flute in cut 5, "Legend of a Mind" (Timothy Leary is Dead), etc.).

Plus, it matches most of my collection, which is comprised of non-audiophile, retail, LP's. When I am listening to some of my more recent purchases (200 gm reissues) I change the mat to a thicker one. This gets me very close without having to drag out the tool kit.

Best regards,

Dave
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