Ears-I think you misunderstood my point on SACD software availability in terms of being able to buy it-this was not an issue at all-I bought somewhere in the region of a dozen SACD only discs.
Ok let me put it another way shouldn't Sony or whoever made sure that badly mastered or bad recordings didn't hit the market?
Again even pro-SACD Audiogoners have complained about the quality of some SACD discs.
Whilst The Stones don't do Audiophile production,I actually like the ramshackle production of Let It Bleed and it sure as hell benefits from the new remastering.
Sure maybe new recordings do sound better maybe if there was much more available on SACD it would promote the format further.
It really just proves my point if the choice of titles has been wrong.
Watch the end of year polls in the serious music magazines and see how many of them were released on SACD.
If a turd is a turd as you put it then I can't help that-you also said you don't listen to dead guys either which rules out a helluva lot of good music.
:-)
Also whilst you claim not to be picking on me,didn't Tvad in the other thread relate very similar experiences whilst comparing SACD vs Redbook as me?-noticeably on both a modded machine and the Shanling SACD player.
I have also see varying reports from pro-SACD members on the difference,it's a complicated argument involving lots of different parameters.
On the broader issues many Audiogon members relate, partialy relate and indeed have even have offered some concerns of their own on the format.
I think some of the subtlities of my argument are not getting through-I am NOT campaigning against SACD.
As for the availabilty of players,well when I have the choice of all kinds of esoteric CD replay machines and a dedicated Sony centre then I think there is a problem that I can't dem anything except 1 quality SACD machine which I can't afford-in the following 10 months I now have the extra choice of 1 Shanling player-wow.
If you don't think being able to dem a quality SACD machine in one of Europes main hi-fi cities then fine.
There is not a single high end dealer interested in the format in my city-tells it's own story.
If indeed SACD is not for the average Joe then there's two problems.
Sony have concentrated recently on the average Joe end of things in terms of new players.
More crucially for the reasons stated above-they have largely ignored the Audiophile market by not getting the software right and by not following the intial hype surrounding SACD by a second wave or third wave of quality players.
As for other formats,I'm talking about my experience,I didn't try DVDA because from what I could figure at that time SACD was the better format.
If it makes you feel better DVDA has been probably handled worse but as I state I haven't experienced that.
This post was raised by me to allow debate around SACD to be expanded out into wider issues not just to focus on one aspect of my problem with the format which seems to be growing into an absession with some people.
I'm not sure if I am an Audiophile or not,but I do know I wanted to embrace SACD and I do know that it was the weight of issues against it that made me not pursue it any further.
Ok let me put it another way shouldn't Sony or whoever made sure that badly mastered or bad recordings didn't hit the market?
Again even pro-SACD Audiogoners have complained about the quality of some SACD discs.
Whilst The Stones don't do Audiophile production,I actually like the ramshackle production of Let It Bleed and it sure as hell benefits from the new remastering.
Sure maybe new recordings do sound better maybe if there was much more available on SACD it would promote the format further.
It really just proves my point if the choice of titles has been wrong.
Watch the end of year polls in the serious music magazines and see how many of them were released on SACD.
If a turd is a turd as you put it then I can't help that-you also said you don't listen to dead guys either which rules out a helluva lot of good music.
:-)
Also whilst you claim not to be picking on me,didn't Tvad in the other thread relate very similar experiences whilst comparing SACD vs Redbook as me?-noticeably on both a modded machine and the Shanling SACD player.
I have also see varying reports from pro-SACD members on the difference,it's a complicated argument involving lots of different parameters.
On the broader issues many Audiogon members relate, partialy relate and indeed have even have offered some concerns of their own on the format.
I think some of the subtlities of my argument are not getting through-I am NOT campaigning against SACD.
As for the availabilty of players,well when I have the choice of all kinds of esoteric CD replay machines and a dedicated Sony centre then I think there is a problem that I can't dem anything except 1 quality SACD machine which I can't afford-in the following 10 months I now have the extra choice of 1 Shanling player-wow.
If you don't think being able to dem a quality SACD machine in one of Europes main hi-fi cities then fine.
There is not a single high end dealer interested in the format in my city-tells it's own story.
If indeed SACD is not for the average Joe then there's two problems.
Sony have concentrated recently on the average Joe end of things in terms of new players.
More crucially for the reasons stated above-they have largely ignored the Audiophile market by not getting the software right and by not following the intial hype surrounding SACD by a second wave or third wave of quality players.
As for other formats,I'm talking about my experience,I didn't try DVDA because from what I could figure at that time SACD was the better format.
If it makes you feel better DVDA has been probably handled worse but as I state I haven't experienced that.
This post was raised by me to allow debate around SACD to be expanded out into wider issues not just to focus on one aspect of my problem with the format which seems to be growing into an absession with some people.
I'm not sure if I am an Audiophile or not,but I do know I wanted to embrace SACD and I do know that it was the weight of issues against it that made me not pursue it any further.