severe limiting factor

Kevin emailed me with some specifics, so i'm responding here in hopes that this may help others and / or encourage further commentary that may benefit his situation.

Your speakers are WAY too close together and you're sitting too far back from them at that speaker spacing distance. I agree that you should get them further apart and toe them in a bit to minimize side-wall reflections. For temporary results, you might want to try hanging some wool blankets at the primary reflection points.

You'll also have to experiment with the distance from the front wall to balance out the increased bass reinforcement from the proximity of the side walls. You really need to get them on the long wall if possible.

Other than that, i've never worked with Jon's cross-connected 89259 speaker cabling. I'm not really a fan of heavily stranded conductors as a general rule, especially bare wire braids where the signal can jump from conductor to conductor at random. This type of geometry typically results in smeared treble response and vague placement within the soundstage.

I also agree that the Magnavox may be hurting you, but you should at least have some semblance of imaging / soundstage. This is true even with a "digital fossil" for a front end : ) Sean
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Ketchup, You also need to get them farther away from the back wall, I think 2.5 feet is too close, try 3.5 - 4 feet from back wall, 4 feet is better. 6.5 feet apart and no more than 7 feet from speaker to listener. Toe them in slightly but have the center of your tweeter fire to the outside of your ears. You need to address the first reflection as mention above and try something on the wall behind the speakers too. One last thing, do make sure they are wired correctly!

Jsawhitlock - Your advices, while good, don't really address problems created by Thiels - They are not made for listening that far into the nearfield as you have suggested. Thiel recommends a listening position further back so the drivers in each speaker will integrate. The bottom line is that the posters room is basically too small for proper set up of the Thiels in the first place.

Newbee, I agree the room is to small or the speakers are too big, what ever way you want to look at it. Since Ketchup's current speaker setup isn't working, I think he should explore all possible setups first as this cost no $$ and if this fails then perhaps a speaker change or room renovation may be needed! (just kidding on the room renovation) I do beleive pulling speakers at least four feet out into the room should improve them and as far as distance from listener to speakers, well this will be a bit more of a challenge. Ketchup, your speakers are not the best match for your room but I really do think you can get some more out of them. may not be 100% of what your looking for but I think alot better. If you choose to spend a bit more time on speaker placement let us know how it works out.

Newbee: I agree with the majority of what you are saying here. I do have to bring up one point. I would not consider sitting 9' from speakers that are spaced 6' apart as being "too far into the nearfield". While i know that such variables as toe-in or running the speakers flat-faced can make a huge difference, the fact that he's sitting 50% beyond an equilateral triangle pretty much negates any nearfield effects. Sean
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