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Oversampling/Increased dither: a lot of hype?

Is there any clear evidence that longer bit lengths and higher frequency sampling actually improves the accuracy of sound reproduction or does it simply add coloration and superflous "digital noise" that if anything, only taints and distorts the original signal?
I have recently spent a lot of time listening to non-oversampling DAC's (SN Tube Dac being one of them...)and have literally have been blown away by the transparency, the "blacker than black" noise floor and a much more forward and natural sound.
I have to admit that I was extremely reluctant to evan audition the non-oversamplers secondary to all the hype surrounding oversampling. I was absolutely stunned by what these non-oversamplers were putting out...or maybe what they were NOT putting out. It was as if a thick veil of digital noise that I have really heard before was suddenly cancelled out.
Anybody else have similar experiences? If possible, i'd be interested to hear sound arguments for either one.
cohenlt
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skyboy
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In the past couple of years I moved from an Ah!Tjoeb 99 to Sony SACD-777es to Cary 308 to cj Premier 9 to a Scott Nixon non-oversampling/non-analogue filter tube dac. The Scott Nixon is the purest clearest easyest to listen through.
sean
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Gliderguider: I agree with what you said about ultrasonics, but i wanted to be honest and fair as to the pro's and con's. Like you, i've never heard of anyone popping an amp or tweeter that was directly related to this phenomena. As a side note though, Philips evidently thought that this was serious enough to allow one to select the hinge frequency for filtering on their SACD 1000's. They specifically mentioned "potential for damage to amps and tweeters" when selecting the 50 KHz ( maybe it was 40 KHz??? ) filter. I ran mine at the highest setting with speakers that were flat out to 23 KHz and an amp that was linear out to 80 KHz and capable of over a kilowatt of output per channel with nary a problem for about a year. Sean
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bombaywalla
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Eldartford,

Are you quite sure that it's the DAC reconstruction (analog) filter that is responsible for the degraded sound in oversampled/upsampled systems??
I feel that it is the over/upsampling (digital) filter - the one that various manuf. use to do the estimation - that is largely responsible for the degraded sound. By the time it gets to the reconstruction filter, the sound is botched already & the analog filter cannot fix this. Yes, it can degrade it further! However, I still feel that the principal damage is done in the digital domain.
Afterall, over & upsampling were used so that the manuf. could get away from designing a nearly brick-wall filter, which had a transition band from 20KHz-22.05KHz.
It's those estimation (digital) filters that change the harmonic structure of the sound. The algorithms are manuf. dependent & you might like one manuf's & hate another's.

(In the Scott Nixon tube DAC he uses the output tube as a filter by just relying on the vacuum tube's natural freq. response characteristic to low-pass shape the music signal).
piedpiper
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I've improved my Ack! significantly by replacing the 3.3 mF AuraCaps with Dynamicaps, a pair of 5 mF and a .01 bypass per channel. It really opened up and the bass improved big time. I use it with an EAD T1000 with a Mapleshade/Insound Zepher dig link. Extremely open yet smooth, dead silent with wonderfull dynamics; the best I've heard.
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