ATC SCM12 and 50wpc Manley Stingray?

curious what you think of 'em.

The newer scm12 are relatively easier to drive than older scm10
which they replaced. ( mid 80db sens. vs. 80db )

I'd still think tubes will have hard time controlling ATC drivers.
I'd reckon Manley can *drive* scm12 in a smallish to medium size
room, but, i'd think it can't realise scm12's potential.

Why not use a tube preamp with solid state amps?

That's one way you can get the bit more *depth* and layering
out of oh-so-flat ATC's earth. :-)

SCM12 is a good buy compared to the older SCM10 for less money.

You'll be in for fun.

I used a Stingray with my Maggie 1.6s with amazingly good results. That is one powerful (and sweet) amplifier and worth a try in my opinion.

the atc's need gobs of grunt to sound their best...the manley is a great amp but it needs to be mated with a more highly efficient speaker.

I have the SCM12's and they lost their dynamics and punch when I used them with my 45-watt ARC tube integrated. Instead, I use them as fronts in my small HT system in the bedroom, with an Acurus 125 x 5, and they are FANTASTIC! I think they need at least 100 watts to do their thing.

Thanks all for the comments received so far.

Misskuma -- to address the issue that you raised. I used to have a pretty serious tube preamp and solid state power amp, but I decided that I wanted to simplify things and travel a little lighter than the 85 pound hunk of metal that was my amplifier would allow. The Stingray gave me just about everything that I wanted in an integrated. No desire to change the amp just to accomodate a new speaker purchase. If the ATCs won't mate well with the Stingray, then I'll find something else that does.

But I am curious about why it takes so much power to run these speakers. The SCM12 is listed as having a sensitivity of 85db/1/1. Now I realize that some manufacturers fudge these numbers sometimes, but even if the number is more like 83db, if I am sitting perhaps 9 feet away and using a 50 wpc amp and listening at around 75db, why would the speaker need more power to play at these levels.

I realize that if I were trying to push peaks into the 90's then I could run out of juice, but at my usual levels? Is there something else about the design of the driver or implementation of the crossover that would cause this?

I could also understand if the impedence and phase angles were not tube friendly, that it would cause other problems that could result in the speakers not sounding too well with the Stingray. But as I said, the dealer I spoke with assured me that the speakers were a benign load for the amp. Has anyone seen a phase/impedence chart on these speakers?

Thanks again.