Time coherence - how important and what speakers?


I have been reading alot about time coherence in speakers. I believe that the Vandersteens and Josephs are time coherent.

My questions are: Do think this is an important issue?
What speakers are time coherent?

Thanks.

Richard Bischoff
rbischoff
If there were a such thing as the best way to design a speaker, they would all be the same.To each his own,end of story!
And your point would be... not to discuss the many approachs to design, and the pros and cons THAT EACH MAN MADE DEVICE FACES?

Or would it be that every speaker is good? Then why are you reading...

Oh well,
Roy
Since ports are being picked on...I think there should be some clarification..."port" has become a generic term for any bass reflex type enclosure regardless of construction...and as such carries some negative conotations...it is all too easy to state "ports suck"...as there are numerous poorly designed ones that really are nothing more than a hole in a speaker...however...it is possible to obtain steller bass reproduction and overall coherency through such a design which leads me to believe that a)a high degree of phase integrity is obtained or B)time/phase relationships are not the endall in speaker design...
however this depends on the following: a)the design team is world class...B)the entire speaker is made in-house to hi end standards...which allows the enclosure itself(considering it is well made) to act as a "tuning" mechanism vs. a elaborate "correctional" crossover network that degrades the original signal....

and since most "ported" designs look the same from the outside...and many sound poor...it is all too easy to dismiss the whole lot...however...it is the internal construction of hi-end designs...often more of a elaborate sound "chamber"...that distinquishes hifi from midfi...
Roy, my post wasn't towards you!I try not to generalize the design of speakers.I see some that do instead of allowing their ears to lead the way.If it sounds right than that's what I look at.Not whether it has ports or not.My hats off to all of you designers for bringing that magic to my ears and others.This is one of the few hobbies that is truly personal.Each man has his favorite and the one he prefers.Talking about a man's gear is just about like talking about his wife.Ha Ha HA Best regards
Roy,
Thanks for the long response. Here are a couple links that show interesting data on the above topics:

www.t-linespeakers.org/projects/tlB/radresponse.html

This has impedance data which shows a remarkable impedance flattening at the 1/4 lambda frequency at quite reasonable stuffing densities, in addition to a dramatic reduction in the driver resonance peak itself.

www.t-linespeakers.org/projects/martin/focal/test_line.html

This also shows a dramatic drop in the 1/4 lambda resonance at normal stuffing levels (using Dacron), and also has several other interesting results. One is that the reduction in speed of sound is far less than Bradbury etc's data on wool and fiberglass. You are likely correct that the microscopic fiber characteristics have a major role in this. Also, note that at the higher frequency peaks, the experimental data show near-perfect correspondence with the theoretical numbers, suggesting that there is effectively NO air-mass coupling to the cone at these frequencies. This one plot is what convinced me that there is indeed a strongly frequency-dependent air-mass coupling.

I will still take issue with your (implied) statement that added mass is not a problem. I understand the games that can be played with mass and compliance, but only at the expense of cabinet size and/or efficiency. I also understand that one can say that "you can always make the magnet bigger." But therein lies the real-world problem: you would like to keep the efficiency as high as possible (within reasonable limits), and the cabinet at a reasonable size, while being limited by the reality of the relatively weak magnetic fields achievable with fixed magnets. So added mass does not come without penalty. In addition, my passion for a long time now has been for 2-way systems, so my perspective tends to be skewed by that reality without my realizing the need to state it, and I should have prefaced my comments with it.

Again, thanks for the extraordinary effort you have put into this thread. It has been very enjoyable.