So I guess I should pass over the NSM because the drivers are too close together? I'm not surprised they aren't time coherent. I guess this is the A-A thread; Roy's comments on Jordan Jordan driver speakers now don't sound like they are worth the $1,500 after reading about their limitations. |
Cdc, I'd listen and decide. There are numerous people on here that have the Carolina Audio speakers that use Jordan drivers and like them. A one-way speaker has much to recommend it. Nothing is perfect. I quote from Roy's comments on AA, "I require more dynamic headroom, less IM at loud levels/on complex music, and more bass extension- not a knock on the good design work being done with Jordans, just a recognition of the physical limitations Jordans impose for me." Those requirements may not be your requirements. Those are a very good description of reasons to select multi-way speakers. I use single-driver(Lowther) speakers for other reasons, and I prefer them over the compromises that multi-way speakers make. Not because they are perfect, but because I can live with their compromises in order to get their strengths. Everything in speaker building is a compromise. What may be a "requirement" for some people, could be seen as a "detriment" to others. Every speaker designer's product is a statement about the designer's point of view on how he thinks a speaker should be made. Make your decisions based upon what YOU need and what YOU like to hear. I recommend auditioning. |
Royj, the link you provided is for ads about surfing the web. I believe this is the link. http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf |
Cdc, if you can listen to a Jordan-driver based system- do so. It is a real treat- I probably should have made it more clear that I greatly respect their level of performance. I worked with them a lot in the 1970's when the 2" modules became available. All of Twl's advice is sound, and I am sure that the $1500 is more than a fair price- so you should listen. As far as the NSM drivers being too close together? That just means you get quite loud "tweeter low-end" reflections off the mid/woofer cone. It is those and also the reflections off the cabinet surface which force NSM's hand in "voicing" their crossovers- which then changes the phase response and leads to recommending the tweeter be at ear level- which is then not time coherent with the midrange. NSM would have a hard time measuring their changed phase-response and may still think "it's close enough" to claim time-coherency, because of the clutter that those close-order reflections off the cabinet impose on their measurements. They are really hard to separate distinctly from the direct sound with a microphone and computer. Also, even if they had put heavy felt around that tweeter, ala Vandersteen and Dunlavy, and then re-voiced the crossover (which would really help), then the tweeter's direct sound would no longer be flat, but would exhibit a rising response, from that particular tweeter's low-frequency tuning- its raw Qts being too low for any artificial "free field" mounting. I hope that makes sense the way I wrote that- it's been a long day. Let me try this another way: Basically, the tweeter- most tweeters, are overdamped by their large magnets to roll-off what would normally be a rising low-end response caused by all the reflections off the cabinet face, and indeed off just the usual 3.5"-4"dia tweeter mounting flange. This low-end rise is exactly the same as seen when comparing a woofer flush in a wall to the woofer outdoors, relative to the woofer's upper range at 300Hz. But unlike the low bass where we hear the nearby reflections blend, we hear this reflection in the tweeter as a "splash", so the reflections are worth removing. But it takes a tweeter with a higher Qts to do so, and those are rare, especially with enough stroke and thermal capacity to stand up to a first-order crossover. Twl- the main reason I "require" more dynamic headroom is that our speakers are sold into many different environments, including really large rooms and for large home theaters. Plus, after years of pro-sound work and recording, from classical to reggae, I knew what it really meant to hear something at live levels- it is a different experience than you expect when you can hear it the way the musicians "felt" it. And so I wanted to be able to rock the house in any size room, and on any type of music. Sorry I screwed up that link address- there was a sale on extra http's that day. Thanks Albert, thanks Gsselling. It is a nice one- send it to all your women and children. I have not looked back into that site yet- wonder what they do there?? We did go ahead and post a simple home page today at greenmountainaudio.com, if the moderators will permit me to mention that. Best to all, Roy |
