Why do Maggies need a lot of power?


It has been genearally accepted that Maggies (i.e. 1.6s) needs a lot of power. Why?

Mathematically, any 86dB speaker should need only 64W of power to reach optimum listening level (104 dB). Why it's not the case for Maggies? One may say that b/c it has only 4 ohm, but there are tons of low sensibility 4 ohm speakers in the market and they do not seem to have any problems like Maggies. Again, one may say that they need current. I think most of the amp is cappable of 20 Amp and wonder if that 's still not enough? If so how much current are we talking about?

I have seen a few recommendation and review of low power amp to drive maggies (i.e. Cary Rocket amp (40W), or Bel 1001 (50W) and a few more class A amp with range around 50W) sucessfully.

For the one who recommend the high power amp (>200W), how lound do you listen to them? I can't imagine myself sitting next to the speakers that have 200W of power fed into them. It muust be awfully loud to me. On the other hand are we talking about reserve power (head room) that Maggie may need at a cirtain time, not the entire period?

Has anyone really been happy with the low power amp with Maggies, either SS or Tube?

Thanks a lot for the thoughts,

Ake
ake
Blw, that was undoubtedly the case. As an MV-55 (45wpc, BTW) owner, I can assure you that this amp is not up to driving Maggies (which I used to sell retail) to realistic levels in large rooms and cannot pump out the bass current the speakers demand (although a stack of Krells driving a wall of Maggies would probably sound bass-shy in the room you describe!). In fact, my guess is that if the sytem seemed over-bright on poor recordings, it was likely due to the mis-match with the amplifier. If one were to go C-J tubes with that set-up, I think you'd be talking Premier Eights or nothing at all.
I am impressed by the exchange of opinions here without anyone getting offended. Great Job!

I have had both tube and solid state on my 1.6's. The VTL MB250's were great but I had a Polyfusion 960 SS mosfet that I have been living with and have been so totally happy. Usually I don't keep amps that long but I have no urge to get rid of this thing. Hit the Polyfusion website.
when we say that the maggies open up and bass extend at high power, how loud are we talking about, over 100 dB at 1 meter?

Ake
Ake, using an amp with enough power to drive these speakers comfortably at high levels will not only change the sound when you're head-banging, but can positively affect the sound quality at all levels. Normal listening is usually done at only a few watts at most, but that is merely the average level. Music is dynamic by nature, and as Sean describes so well above, there will be momentary demands for power many times that of the average level, and the amp has to be able easily accommodate these without approaching its limits in order to sound unstrained. Also, the higher-power amp will be better able to rigidly control the driver panels, resulting in less unwanted motion that can impair transient response and decay. The improved bass authority you will get from a higher-current amp will be audible at all volume levels. If the amp gives a more 'open' sound as well, that is probably due to the relative lack of compression resulting in less congestion of the soundstage, wherein macro-dynamic events tend to overwhelm micro-dynamic events as a less-powerful amp is stressed by competing demands. However, I've got to add that Maggies are probably not the speakers for you if your #1 priority is listening at rock-concert levels.
Actually I tend to listen to average level. I barely listen to anything at 100dB and over (average level). It's just too loud for me to listen comfortably for a long session (I think I still need good ears for quite some time before I don't need them any more :)

So for average listening level (How many dB?) can maggies benefit from high power amp (aside from what Zaikesman mentioned about better bass and Sean's about the headroom?

Thanks a lot for the input.

Ake