Recomendation for speakers BEST for Piano?


Listen mostly classical piano and Medieval music. No amp yet. Room is 16x25 (lively). Thanks!
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WHoa,whoa whoa, there isnt much music below 50hz???!?!?!?!!
I wont even comment here other than there is musical information(called HARMONICS)that goes below 20hz.
Audioengr: I dont doubt you can tell the differences between em under normal circumstances, all have different tonal characteristics. But can you tell the differences under a controlled environment without visual ques and specific tunings? Id think twice before saying yes outright to this.
Let's get some facts straight. The lowest note of your typical grand piano is A 27.5 Hertz, so it could be argued that any speaker that does not go this low, and fairly accurately, is not a good candidate for "best for piano". To say that there isn't much information in this range, in classical music, is simply not true. If one understands the physics of music, one knows that in addition to the harmonics of musical tones, there exist difference tones. Difference tones are the tones that are produced when, for instance, two tones are sounded simultaeniously, and the difference of those two frequencies is perceived as a third tone. In theory, if music is written, and played on a piano for say, a chord with A-27.5 Hertz as the root, there would be a perceived tone of a frequency considerably below 27.5 Hertz. This would not be necessarily be heard as a seperate tone, but rather as richness and fullness in the overall sound. The existence of these tones, as well as upper harmonics, is one the things that gives music it's richness and complexity.

Having said all that, I would say that in my experience, Quads come closest to capturing the tinbre of a real piano. How can that be possible, given the Quad's limited frequency response? Heck if I know! What it says to me is that there is still a whole lot that we don't understand about this business of record/playback; and that's fine by me. But timbre is only one aspect of reality in music playback. What about dynamics? In my experience, and I don't claim to have heard nearly all the great loudspeakers ever manufactured, Snell Type Aiii's with VTL Wotans got the dynamic impact of a grand piano fairly accurately. The timbre was not even close in accuracy to that of Quads, however. In absolute terms, neither got either timbre or dynamic impact close enough to the real thing to suspend disbelief.

What it all says to me, is that the real thing is, thankfully, so rich and complex that electronics still have a long way to go before "accurate" record/playback is a possibility. I see that as a good thing.

Ritteri, I don't know what not being able to tell which is the Yamaha vs. the Steinway, without prior familiarity proves. I can tell you that most experienced audiophiles, who can tell the difference between MIT and Nordost cabling, would have no trouble discerning the differences between a Yamaha and a Bosendorfer. The differences are actually much more apparent, IMO.

There's nothing like the real thing.

Good listening.
Frogman...Agreed: four full octives down from middle A at 440Hz results in 27.5Hz. How many composers have actually used this bottom key?

Here is the question that I would like to see answered.
My subwoofers are flat to 20 Hz, as verified by spectrum analysis using test signals and plainly evident by ear. The source electronics are capable of extreem LF output as evidenced by strong SW activity when playing certain recordings of organ music. A warped LP also keeps them busy.

However, when playing almost all other classical music, some of which subjectively sounds as if there is lots of bass, the subwoofer cones scarcely move. This is verified, not only by listening close to them, but also by lightly touching the cones.

Regarding the beat frequency subharmonics, these would be created in the listening room by proper reproduction of the fundamentals, and do not require reproduction of the subharmonic frequencies themselves. This is the same as in the performance venue, where the instruments do not directly generate the subharmonics.
Eldartford: Ever listen to alot of Jazz with Tenor Sax's,bass?How about a 20" kickdrum? How about big band with a few tuba's? Though I currently dont use subs(but will be soon)and have floor standers that are flat to 20hz, I feel Im still losing a bit of presense. Same holds true for the other end of the spectrum with other instruments.

Truth in the matter is that your subwoofers shouldnt be "flat" to 20hz. The last 2 octaves(20-80hz roughly) should be tuned to be about 3-4db higher up at least, while the top 2 octaves(5khz-20khz) should be roughly attenutated about the same amount for our ears to percieve a flat natural response due to our ears natural sensitivity. I just wanted to touch base on this, I dont know how you setup your own system, but if it was flat across the board its gotta be really bright sounding.......