Avalon: are new models quite better than older ?


I'm curious if all Avalon's owners are completely satisfied with the new vented models respect the previous sealed: I know the factory point of view but I wonder if in this particular aspect -bass articulation, impact and speed- the discontinued Ascents or Radians (just to name a few) could be better than the new Eidolons or Opus... Any comment will be appreciated ! Thanks, Luca.
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Nothing to add but now I'm powering the Radians with the Pass X600 and I couldn't be more happy ! The sound is fast fast fast, dynamic and so musical... Do not underestimate the older Avalon guys, they are still incredible great speakers, trust me.
lUKE,YOU ARE NOT RATIONALIZING.i HEARD THE rADIANS IN A large nyc LOFT WITH SOTA ANCILLARIES AND THE SOUND ACROSS THE BOARD WAS STUNNING.i'M TALKING EVERY PARAMETER YOU CARE TO ASCRIBE.THEY KIND OF MADE ME SUBCONSCIOUSLY LAUGH EVERY TIME I HEAR A NEW WATT/PUPPY COMBO PUMPING OUT BIG VOL.OR, THE LATEST OVERPRICED KHARMA (OF WHICH A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE OWNS AND OPERATES QUITE WELL).
Sirspeedy, thanks for your 2nd post, i'm really glad with my Radians now... but it seems so difficult to explain to other audiogoners that a new project (read: Eidolon) not necessary is better than a previous one (read: Ascents or Radians). Cheers, Luca.
I have Eidolons now and Radian HC too. Well, I can't decide if I definitely prefer the one or the other ! Call me crazy but Eidolons have better resolution, transparency and detail in the mid/high region, the bass is more extended and deep BUT the bass itself has less speed, articulation and dynamics: it seems that the ported woofers cannot match with the speed of ceramic drivers... When I listen to a well recorded drum-set with Radians the sound is tight, I can clearly distinguish the leather of drums, with Eidolons the drums sound more deep and visceral but a lot less tight and "kicking". Even worse with a well recorded double-bass.
The power in the mid/high region partially make up for this limit adding lots of energy and speed on higher notes but the result is unsatisfaying for me... Am I the only thinking that on Eidolons vs previous sealed Avalons like Radians ? I wouldn't miss the magic and energy of Eidolons in mid-hi frequency but cannot live with a slow and little muddy bass.
Waiting your opinions and advices. Thanks, Luca.
Luca, as I mentioned at the outset of your thread, I experience no slow or muddy bass on Eidolons here. Here the bass on the Eidolons is extremely tight, well defined and agile. But the Diamonds are better defined still, so perhaps the Radians are as well. But this is a matter of subtle degree of refinement, not the gross level of difference you seem to be describing. If you are using the same amplifier with both the Eidolons and the Radians, could it be that the amplifier is not as good a match to the Eidolons as it is to the Radians?
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