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HP Caravelle Monitor V/S Manger Zerobox109

Hi Warrenh,

Your review of the Harmonic Precision Caravelle Monitor speakers is very intriguing, right now im in the process of upgrading my speakers to Manger Zerobox 109 from a pair of Dynaudio 1.3SE.

Please can you tell me how do they compare to the HP Caravelle Monitor's, the mangers to me were extremly smooth without the loss of detail and the vocals were the *BEST* I have heard till date in the in the range of $10,000.

My electronics are as follows;
Conrad Johnson MF2500A
Audio Areo Prima DAC MKII (Capitole Dac)
Proceed CDD Transport

Satyam

PS:I have posted the same question in your review of the HP Caravelle Monitor.
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taloyd
1 posts
 
hello,

The Caravelle looks like it uses a Danish-made Peerless CSX line woofer, which is around $50. Not sure about the tweeter.

It is basically a speaker following the time-aligned 1st order school of thought like Thiel or Meadowlark speakers. There is nothing special about it beyond that. Moreover, the drivers used in Thiel speakers are VERY impressive. The drivers in teh Caravelle are fairly mundane.

The Manger is in another leauge. It is the most advanced driver in existence right now, and the ONLY driver that can reproduce any input waveform (when combined with a suitable woofer). No other driver can do this - period. The Manger driver's, raw, are $900 each. This is for good reason. There is no better time alignment then the Manger. It has a stable acoustic center at all frequencies, save for the low end. All sound arrives from one-point in space time.

There is absolutely no comparison between these speakers. Whatsoever.

Also, if you're really hung-up on cone dynamic drivers (and all the energy storage/damping problems associated) then check out the Earthworks Sigma speaker. Similiar to the Caravelle, but with much much better drivers. Should sound MUCH better. Has been well reviewed in both the professional world (it's a professional nearfield monitor) and the silly audophile world.

cheers,

-tal
sedona
144 posts
 
Also take a look at Buggtussel Cingulate monitor at
www.Buggtussel.com
theaudiotweak
2,801 posts
 
So -tal you think you know something about the Caravelle? Please tell me more.. I am very curious. I am a dealer of Starsound Products. Tom
scotty333
79 posts
 
I love it when people defend a speaker or compare without even listening to the other speaker....but base it on cost of a cone? "Should sound much better?" Trust your ears...I have not listened to a manger speaker, check out my comments, "sorry, not much help here" - who are you going to trust your ears, or a comment like the above.

The Caravelle is a great sounding speaker. I have compared it too others I have owned...you will see lists in other posts. I frankly don't give a crap what they paid for their cones and quite frankly if it is $50 - then cudos to them for phenominal engineering and profiteering, as I am glad to pay them their asking price for these speakers.
theaudiotweak
2,801 posts
 
How are your speakers dealing with energy storage in the cabinet and the crossover? What means do they use to resolve these problems? Does the crossover in these speakers present the oppurtunity for all the signal to be played or is some dumped to ground? Is the crossover balanced, so as to present a symetrical load to the amplifier? What are the composition of the individual crossover components. What is the makeup of internal wiring and how does it deal with the massive acoustical internal g-force with-in..These are a few of the questions I have about speakers. Tom
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